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Lynndie England makes me wish there was a hell

May 6, 2004 10:22 PM

Please don't make me look at those pictures anymore! Now there's one on the cover of the Economist calling for Rumsfeld's resignation. I can't stand it anymore -- I'm even getting nightmares. Lynndie England, the boyish-looking depraved example of America's finest, is haunting my brain. Her smile creeps me out.

I really do not ever want to see these again. Please stop publishing them everywhere. Please!

We deify our soldiers, when really they are nothing more than trained killing machines. Then we act surprised when they do inhuman things. Surely this is not the real America!

But it is. Take responsibility. This is our fault...America's fault. Those pictures will be etched in our brains for our entire lives, and the humiliation, abuse and torture those people went through is something we can never wash our hands of.

We are the evildoers.

UPDATE 5/8/04: The Guardian is reporting that U.S. and U.K. military intelligence "soldiers" were trained in the torture techniques used at Abu Ghraib. There's even an acronym for it: R2I.

Also, Rumsfeld warned today that there are yet more pictures about to be released, these even worse than the ones we've already seen.


U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys."

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Read the 45 comments.

Ron:

Whats there to comment? Well, the Americans are always like that, and the rest of the world knows it. Only the US ppl didnt!!! How about giving Lynndie a good gang bang by the Oval office ppl, when she is 8 months preggy while her naked folks watching & fondling themselves? Whats the differnce between the BUSH (he is a dickhead) & Caligula?

Sat May 8 2004 9:49 PM


Rumsfeld:

I love Lynndie... she can give the iraqis a good lesson. Wait till u see the other pics of how good she is with this!

Sat May 8 2004 9:52 PM


George Hanson:

Lynndie is a national hero and she should be awarded a purple heart.

Mon May 10 2004 2:51 AM


Peter Freevendale:

Stop acting naive. We went to Iraq to nail the b's and get their oil. The soldiers we sent were willing to put their lives on the line. What's wrong with it if they have a bit of fun on the way? The iraqi s.o.b's are going to die anyways. They are all terrorists and not human. Ideally we would kill the Iraqi terrorists for their proven role in the 0/11 attacks and to rub it in force repatriate the area with jews from israel. Amen.

Mon May 10 2004 3:01 AM


jelloanchor1@hotmail.com:

Peter Freevendale, boy you are ignorant. Proven role in 9/11 attacks? Are you sure, would you like to divulge? It would be news to a lot of people. I thought they were Saudis and not Iraqi's. Maybe i'm the ignorant one. But then you said about nicking their oil so you have contradicted yourself!! The whole world hates you and I know you don't care. I don't hate you I just laught at you. We brits find you very amusing specimens.

Mon May 10 2004 5:23 AM


Anna:

The Lynndie England song

Idiots heaven West Virginia
Blue Ridge Mountains Shenandoah river
Incest is old there older than the trees
younger than the mountains blowin' like a breeze

Country roads take her home
To the place she belongs
West Virginia mountain momma
Take her home country roads

All my memories gather round her
Army's lady stranger to blue water
Dark and dusty smelling to the sky
Misty taste of bootshine beerdrops in her eyes

Country roads take her home
To the place she belongs
West Virginia mountain momma
Take her home country roads

I hear a voice in the morning how she calls me
The radio reminds me of the IRAQ far away
Drivin' down the road I get the feelin'
That she should been home yesterday yesterday

Country roads take her home
To the place she belongs
West Virginia mountain momma
Take her home country roads

Country roads take her home
To the place she belongs
West Virginia mountain momma
Take her home country roads

La la la hey hey
La la la hey hey
La la la hey hey
La la la
West Virginia mountain momma
Take her home country roads

La la la hey hey
La la la hey hey
La la la hey hey
La la la
West Virginia mountain momma
Take her home country roads

Take her home country roads
Take her home country roads

Mon May 10 2004 6:38 AM


Paul Stone:

Coalition military intelligence officers believed 70-90 per cent of Iraqi detainees were "arrested by mistake", according to a leaked Red Cross report on prisoner abuse, further details of which were disclosed on Monday.

Mon May 10 2004 2:11 PM


Peter:

I don't care whether Lynddie England is a male or female, all what I wish to do is to f*ck her with a red rod iron, so she will feel other peoples sufferings too.

Tue May 11 2004 2:50 AM


ms. haplopia:

Wow. Things have really taken a strange turn here at jimgilliam.com. What gives with all the strange posts? It's beginning to read like a porn site or a really bad parody.

Tue May 11 2004 11:17 AM


kelly:

i just have to say...... that dude that knocked up Lynndie England must have been "HARD" up for Pussy!!! yuck

Tue May 11 2004 8:28 PM


lulu:

i like that song.......i should print it off and "hang" it in the supermarket, but hey i feel grand cuz i live in the same area as Lynndie England...........lol YAY but i dont live in no tralerpark

Tue May 11 2004 8:32 PM


lulu:

trailer park ^

Tue May 11 2004 8:33 PM


Gregson:

I cannot see the difference between USA now and Soviet Union before. Most of americans are silly like a Stalin lovers in former USSR. "Our hero" or "She fight for our freedom" are sayings like from Russia in 50's. I regret you.

Wed May 12 2004 6:17 AM


Anna:

I have re-written the song. That is better now:


The Lynndie England song

Idiots heaven West Virginia
all related around Shenandoah river
Incest is old there older than the trees
younger than the maggots in the mountain cheese

Country roads take her home
To the camp she belongs
West Virginia old goat momma
Take her home country roads

All my memories gather 'round her
Army's lady stranger to clear water
Dark and dusty smelling to the sky
Misty taste of bootshine drinking like a guy

Country roads take her home
To the camp she belongs
West Virginia old goat momma
Take her home country roads

I hear a voice in the morning how she calls me
The radio reminds me of the IRAQ far away
Drivin' down the road I get the feelin'
That she should been home yesterday yesterday

Country roads take her home
To the camp she belongs
West Virginia old goat momma
Take her home country roads

Country roads take her home
To the camp she belongs
West Virginia old goat momma
Take her home country roads

La la la hey hey
La la la hey hey
La la la hey hey
La la la
West Virginia old goat momma
Take her home country roads

La la la hey hey
La la la hey hey
La la la hey hey
La la la
West Virginia old goat momma
Take her home country roads

Take her home country roads
Take her home country roads

Wed May 12 2004 9:16 AM


Nathan England:

>>>Having heard about pfc Lynddie England last week and coming to the immediate realization that she is most likely a distant relative (being an England with family roots in the same area of WV), all I can say is that when all is said and done, abuse of the Iraqi prisoners @ Abu Gharaib should not have been condoned, it certainly appears that orders for such action came from higher up the rung within the army structure. This pales in comparison to what the terrorists have done to American and coalition prisoners and soldiers.. I think we'd be well advised to remember who we're really dealing with here, and I'm not saying this because of a possible distant familial tie with Lynndie England. I guess this is what you can expect from the Liberal media..

Wed May 12 2004 5:43 PM


Bah:

what a bunch of bleeding heart idiots

Thu May 13 2004 5:40 AM


Rob.:

You're a fag.
Bush Rocks!

Thu May 13 2004 8:27 AM


Maddog:

Just remember Gilliam, for every wacked out, pinko, communist, left wing, liberal sissy like you that has devoted their life to getting Bush out of office (which by the way is really sad man, get a life) their are probably 20 Bush supporters that are going to kick your ass on election day. Better be finding a new hobby, dickhead. And by the way, stop trying to fool people by saying that you and your kind are standing up for truth in a culture of lies when it is your liberal friends who fabricate and perpetuate the lies. You wouldn't know the truth if I carved it in your ass.

Thu May 13 2004 9:46 AM


Spiderman:

One hundred Senators were forced to watch her having sex with multiple partners - sometimes in front of detainees. I think that sinks her "only following orders" defense.

"A female soldier at the centre of the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal was photographed having sex with other military guards, sometimes in front of detainees, senators said today."

"She was having sex with numerous partners. It appeared to be consensual,” said one senator?

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2921993

Thu May 13 2004 10:57 AM


Athena Daytona:

The Army of Love is coming for you. You would like to think Mr. Frothing at the Mouth Maddog that there are 20 right wing bush supporters for every one of us. There are less and less of you every day and more of "U.S." than you think . Because you are already blind you just don't see us comming.


Thu May 13 2004 1:03 PM


bongoboy:

better a right wing pinko than a f*cking nazi. every one who says this treatment of prisoners is okay are also showing there sapport the VC, the soviets, red china, ect. if we justify it, we justify them. if we allow it there, then they'll start doing it here. as far as the four contractors killed in iraq, the were mercenaries, hired paid killers, there is no lower form of life on earth. bitch lynndie should'nt get a purple heart. she should get a bloody heart. her own.

Thu May 13 2004 1:28 PM


Go Lynndie:

Hey Jim - go fuck yourself. Then blame America for that you liberal asshole.

Thu May 13 2004 3:16 PM


Lee:

while I don't agree with the sexual stuff shown in the pictures from the prison, I understand it. what better way to humiliate a group of people who view women as inferior, make them cover their heads, and allow them no positions other than basically as slaves? I can see where interrogation tactics for this kind of people would be to have women controling them, naked, making fun of their genitalia, cuffing them around. as for the sleep deprivation, food not to their liking, etc., what's wrong with it? you have to obtain information from your enemy some way, and you won't get it by coddling them! they'll only laugh at you, and ridicule you for being weak. for those who think what you've seen from the prison from our people is so bad, contrast that with a man getting his head cut completely off with his hands tied behind his back. or, being burned to death, drug up and down streets, your limbs chopped off, and then hung from a bridge abuttment. I think it's easy to see who the real animals are. no one should be surprised at the sexual nature of our troops because it has been taught to them for decades now on tv, in schools, college, etc. we even have the example of Bill Clinton, what he did, and what Democrats said about his behavior to look at. rest assured, if you condone such sexual behavior in the general public, then you shouldn't be shocked when it shows up in any particular group, including the military. there is no way to fight a bloodless war! somebody gets hurt, somebody gets killed, and as far as I'm concerned, better them than us. of course, if you had rather Saddam still be there, killing people by the hundreds, even thousands, every year, then it's easy to see why you may disagree with what we've done, and are doing.

Thu May 13 2004 3:20 PM


bill:

fuck you communist bastard! president bush will win in november and you can go to hell, "which is real by the way asshole!!!!" move bitch if you don't like it, how about red china, where you don't have the fucking freedoms to bitch about the rulers! then you will get executed within a week of complaining! you people should leave the usa or don't come here at all in the first place spoiled communist brat!!!

Thu May 13 2004 3:47 PM


An American:

I am offended that anyone believes that Lynndie England is like all Americans are. I suppose then that Jack The Ripper is like all the British, Stalin like all Russians, Hitler like all the Germans, Mussolini like all the French.YOUR prejudice and hatred betray you as the bigots you are.
Yes, revel in your trashing of America, for it keeps you from looking inward at what liberal's are truly are in their hearts. I need not tell you, your own blind hatred and desire to despise all those that are good and all that is good about the USA would only further close your narrow minds.
Go piss on the graves of the dead soldiers that saved your asses in two world wars, yet gave you your countries back. We could have had them as our own, if we wanted. Even China and Russia could have been ours when we had the only atomic bombs. Yes, tell the dead American GI's that you would rather a million die at terrorist’s hands than be like we loathsome Americans are.
I am certain should we ever cease to defend your worthless governments with our troops that you so despise, you could show us what stuff you’re made of. Go on, show us. We’d like our hated children to come back home, so that yours can die instead. Screw you people.

We are still free. You are still idiots. Offer the terrorist’s Poland. I bet that will stop them. You boneheads.

My apologies to the British, I still have some respect for you.

Thu May 13 2004 4:27 PM


Spiderman:

another update. The sqealer has punched some more holes in Lynndie's story.

"He described Pfc. Lynndie England, the woman often seen smoking and smiling in the photos, as 'laughing at the different stuff that they were having the detainees do.' "

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-051304sivits_lat,1,4430352.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Some of the others are also mentioned. A lawyer famous for taking on cases that have merit (and winning them) has taken Sabrina Harman's defense. That would seem to indicate that there is more here than meets the eye. I also heard some charges against Megan Ambuhl were dropped because she just happened to come into the room when the photo was taken, or something like that. She was not as involved as some of the others.

Thu May 13 2004 6:24 PM


Spiderman:

Its starting to get a littler clearer now.
Sabrina Harman was the daughter of a homicide detective who brought crime scene photos home - which she looked at.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-051304sivits_lat,1,4430352.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Now, you add in with this desensitized person some unsupervised corrections officers, and a yokel with less brains then a dead baby cat, and you have a real mess in the making.

I'm starting to wonder if this particular crew was hand picked just for this job.

Thu May 13 2004 7:03 PM


Spiderman:

Gave the wrong link above. These are the ones I'm refering to.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/10/iraq/main616584.shtml
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22685-2004May12.html

Fri May 14 2004 6:05 AM


NOT another American:

Hey "an American": First of all, Mussolini was NOT French. Like most Americans you probably couldn't point to France on a map, but you know for certain that France is full of evildoers. Heck I'd bet you couldn't pick out the oceans from the continents - yet you think you own all the contintents of the Earth! Yeah, if you wanted to, you could own everything but out of the goodness of the American heart (the goodness of which is an a priori truth - which there has been *zero* proof of, ever) you LET FREEDOM RING throughout the universe and don't mess with anyone's business. Right? If you believe that, I've got some land in Florida you might be interested in buying.

By the way, France saved YOUR ass in the Revolutionary war, and without that the good ol' U.S of A would't even have been around to get involved in either of the World Wars. We're getting history lessons from a guy who doesn't know what country Mussolini was from? Lessons *about* WWII?

Fri May 14 2004 7:39 AM


mojo:

France sucks, They showed up a day late and a dollar short when they supposedly "saved our ass". Well, I guess we should thank the french for making North America the super power it is today. Thank you, you cheese eating surrender monkeys! Try winning a war every few hundred years, then maybe you can speak out about war and how prisoners should be treated.

P.S. French rifle for sale, never been shot and only dropped once

Fri May 14 2004 8:45 AM


Tony:

"...our soldiers, when really they are nothing more than trained killing machines."

Jim, you're such a fucking dork it makes me sick. Grow up.

Fri May 14 2004 9:59 AM


Jim Gilliam:

Tony --
We train them to kill in the name of freedom and democracy, then we're surprised when they commit horrible atrocities.

Remember, these people weren't drafted, they chose to be in the military and train to kill people. Most never expected to need to do it, and simply wanted money for college. So America is turning people who want to make a better life for themselves into subservient killing machines. And a few are depraved enough to enjoy abusing their power over the conquered.

That makes me sick.

Is there an alternative? Probably not, but maybe wars of choice should be left off the table.

Fri May 14 2004 10:33 AM


Curious:

Hey Jim!

Are you gay?

Fri May 14 2004 11:24 AM


Lynndie an All-American Slut:

WOW!!!

How many dudes did she bang?

At least seven I would imagine.

When will this hit the Internet?

And why fuck in front of the prisoners?
I would guess that would be cool to watch no?

Better than physical harm, I guess.

Way to whore around Lynddie.
You're a great example to girs in America

"Whore your way to success."
- Lynddie England

Sat May 15 2004 9:13 PM


Jim Gilliam:

This morning's NYT: "In a sworn statement to investigators, Pfc. Lynndie England explained the mystery of why soldiers at Abu Ghraib took pictures of detainees masturbating and piled naked with plastic sandbags over their heads by saying, 'We thought it looked funny so pictures were taken.'"

The rest of the article is her explanation for each picture.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/16/international/middleeast/16LYNN.html

Sun May 16 2004 12:28 AM


johnnieblueballs:

where can i find the sex pics of linndie england

Sun May 16 2004 5:15 AM


Jason:

You're a flaming moron.

Sun May 16 2004 9:28 PM


jaf:

Jim,

Re: "America is turning people who want to make a better life for themselves into subservient killing machines. And a few are depraved enough to enjoy abusing their power over the conquered."

Unfortunately, as long as there is evil in thwe world, we will always have a need for a military to defend ourselves and go on the offensive if necessary. I think we are in the midst of THE MOST IMPORTANT WAR we ever had to fight, and if we don't stomp out the bulk of those who wish to kill us, we will ultimately be trampled by them. I don't like war, never have, but sometimes I realize we have to fight when it is a GOOD FIGHT. And if we don't win this, God help us. More 9/11's and worse will be at our doorsteps.

Also, another point, there will unfortunately always be sick and depraved people out there, whether in the military or not. Another sad truth we must live with. They'll always manage to slip through and get into positions they shouldn't be in. We just have to continue to weed them out. But to condemn the entire military because of a few, that makes me sick!

And I still don't see how what these FEW soldiers did to prisoners of war EVEN COMPARES with what the terrorists and other Muslim extremists do to INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!

How can you even DARE compare the two? ...I'm getting sick just thinking about it.

Wed Jun 2 2004 6:34 AM


Jim Gilliam:

What the few soldiers did is directly comparable to what the few muslim extremists did. Only the terrorists are honest about it, and our government wasn't.

Wed Jun 2 2004 7:26 AM


njguardsman:

"What the few soldiers did is directly comparable to what the few muslim extremists did. Only the terrorists are honest about it, and our government wasn't."

What those "soldiers" did they did by themselves, even if they were "ordered" to do this they could have refued the order.

Mr Gilliam,

What these terrorist did they did in the name of Osama Bin Ladin & allah - you cannot compare the two!

We didnt kill the prisoners, we didnt saw their heads off, we didnt drag their burned bodies thru the streets of Iraq ang hang them like trophies.

Unlike the terrorist we draw no satisfaction/pride/honor from the prison scandal in fact it makes our job there that much harder.

Mon Jun 7 2004 1:01 PM


Jim Gilliam:

Please let the 1.2 billion muslims in the world know that they take "satisfication/pride/honor" in what the terrorists have done in the name of their god. See if they saw your head off and drag your burned body through the streets of Iraq and hang it like a trophy.

Then you'll learn a thing or two about Islam.

Mon Jun 7 2004 1:10 PM


njguardsman:

Type Os
Change "refued" to REFUSED, in "they could have refued the order."

Change "ang" to AND in: "Iraq ang hang them like trophies."

Mon Jun 7 2004 1:16 PM


njguardsman:

Well do they?!?!?!

How many clerics come out in public and say: "We condemn these acts of murder" or something allong these lines.

I'll tell you VERY VERY few, probably a hand full or so, the others by their silence condone this.

Mon Jun 7 2004 1:28 PM


bruning usa:


get fuck american

go hell

Thu Sep 2 2004 11:45 PM


Solvunud:

Lynddie is a sick woman... or freak, don´t no wich one. Freak , I guess.
Does UK want a hero kind of her ? Kind of "human" who likes to torture and humiliate.
She is no hero at all, she is a rotten trash.

Fri Feb 18 2005 8:11 AM


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