From Jim Gilliam's blog archives
Doonesbury's interview with Rupert Murdoch
July 26, 2004 10:56 AM
Here are the six days worth of strips from Garry Trudeau's Doonesbury interview with Rupert Murdoch including a special guest appearance by our favorite pathological liar, Bill O'Reilly.
Doonesbury's interview with Rupert Murdoch
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Read the 83 comments.
I just want to say that people are listening. I saw in the WSJ that CNN had better ratings than FOX for the democratic convention. Perhaps this is a sign of your impact? (or perhaps it's a sign of the demographs...)
Fri Jul 30 2004 12:10 AM
Ilove Doonesbury. He seems to always get to the meat of the subject.
Sat Jul 31 2004 4:15 AM
Bill O'Reilly is in the same class as that hypocrytical wind-bag Rush Limbuagh. Prosecute all drug users unless they host ultra-conservative
radio shows. John F. Kenndey was proud to be a liberal (speech from 9/14/1960) & so am I.
Sat Jul 31 2004 10:59 PM
The right has had their organized right wing hate machine propaganda for years (Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, on and on) and nothing has been taboo for them now they have the audacity to cry hate speech and lunacy on the left because now we have (Franken, Moore, Rhodes, Schultz and a few outspoken hollywood types) It looks to me like the right can give it but not take it. I say let the liberal attack dogs out. It's about time that we dont take it laying down anymore. Why was it ok for them to tear down and demonize Clinton and when it is done to Bush we are accused of hate speech and distributing propaganda.
Mon Aug 2 2004 4:47 PM
I am appauld at the conservative racist republicans - Democrats (former Dixie Crats) and their rhetoric. They HATE with a vengeance and expect us to continue the christ like attitude. They are surrounded by the Red White and Blue god like attitude and want us to turn the other cheek - I don't think so.
Mon Aug 2 2004 7:33 PM
J P Vielma:
It makes me sick to know that the Bush Campaign, along with its media puppets, will win another 4 years for the Republicans in the White House. I am sorry, but when it comes to survival, safety is more important; even at the expense of freedom. People are being scared into voting for Bush, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Tue Aug 3 2004 5:19 PM
"It looks to me like the right can give it but not take it."
This is part of the right wing game plan -- it's pure strategy, it's purely Machiavellian, it's pure pretense. This is the basic essence of the right wing -- total and complete lack of ethics; any means justifies the end, which is to win.
Tue Aug 3 2004 6:08 PM
"I am sorry, but when it comes to survival, safety is more important; even at the expense of freedom."
But even if that were true (and it's only true of pathetic cowards, which most Americans seem to be these days -- what a far cry from the days of this country's founding), the last thing to do would be to vote for Bush, who is creating more and more Al Qaeda recruits through his wars and is leaving our ports unguarded because the Homeland Security money goes to places like Wyoming to buy votes.
"People are being scared into voting for Bush, and there is nothing anyone can do about it."
So why are you posting? Why not just lay down and die?
The fact is that there are things people can do about it, including the sorts of things that people like Jim Gilliam and Garry Trudeau do -- speak truth to power.
Tue Aug 3 2004 6:13 PM
You may wish to look at the attached URL. Fox News is also broadcast in the UK and the equivalent of the FCC called "Ofcom" has found against them in terms of not being fair or balanced.
Ofcom found that
"Fox News was therefore in breach of Sections 2.1 (respect for truth), 2.7 (opportunity to take part), and 3.5(b) (personal view programmes - opinions expressed must not rest upon false evidence) of the Programme Code. "
Wed Aug 4 2004 4:31 AM
It seems that you are trying to show the truth depite of the the thick wall of Fox blocking. Do you think you will be able to overcome them? You have to have your own media to be able to do that. Murdoch is a well known Zionist and the thick wall of Zionism is strong enough to blind most facts from the North American public.
Wed Aug 4 2004 6:58 AM
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security
Wed Aug 4 2004 11:40 AM
To John Kerry and John Edwards: Gentlemen, do not go easy on or with bush. This thing will stop at nothing to be returned to the white house. This includes lying, rigging ballotless voting machines, and all forms of trashy deception. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing. No good will come to this country or the world so long as bush and people like him have any kind of power. Do all you can to get rid of this scourge by telling the truth on him. An American citizen-Larry Henry
Wed Aug 4 2004 10:36 PM
All I have to add to this is the following: Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater, Jennifer Flowers, What does "is" mean?, Oral sex is not sex, pardons for felon friends, etc... The Clinton legacy.
Thu Aug 5 2004 10:04 AM
Yeah....Clinton.....lying about sex is so much worse than lying about war. Sure Bush sent over 900 American's to their death for nothing more than oil, but just imagine how many sperm Clinton killed.
Thu Aug 5 2004 11:17 AM
It is almost as if the bush administration has a mandate from heaven and anyone who opposes their ideologies are "against them." Their holy crusade turns every issue into a moral issue and there is always an enemy and a hero. Who would of thought as we go further into the 21st century our beloved democracy is being drilled into an abyss by the administration that is supposed to be protecting democracy?
Thu Aug 5 2004 12:32 PM
Remember, our leaders are playing the game that we the people (consumers) are demanding---cheap oil at any price. Be smart when you buy: buy local, when possible; limit consumption; walk; ride a bicycle; read, read , read and listen.
Thu Aug 5 2004 1:29 PM
I like Garfield!
Thu Aug 5 2004 11:08 PM
Clarence R. Winland:
Everyone is talking about their tax rebate, but take a look at the Federal deficit. Who is going to pay for that tax rebate. Our grandchildren and their children.
Sat Aug 7 2004 6:38 AM
Amen to calling attention to that Bush tax. I went to www.bushtax.com and was thoroughly appalled at what really happened with that.
I think enough Americans are disgusted, and tired of being lied to. If we all act on it in November, we can get rid of this illiterate creep.
Sat Aug 7 2004 12:02 PM
R & R Phillips:
We here in one of the battleground states (Ohio)are hoping to get rid of " The Jerk with The Smirk" in 2004. Anybody with any sense must see, we can't afford these crooks in office for another four years.
Sat Aug 7 2004 2:13 PM
I have found that Fox watchers are seeking validation of their skewed ideology. They really don't care about FACTS, they seek validation. They find this validation at Fox.
Sun Aug 8 2004 8:55 AM
"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny." -Thomas Jefferson
I think that the tyranny started a long time ago, but has greatly intensified over the last 3+ years.
Sun Aug 8 2004 2:24 PM
For the longest time, I have despised fox news for the way it presents itself; as being a fair and impartial source when in fact it is not. For the most part I would not have a problem with them being a conservative news source as long as they would lable themselves as such. It would keep them from spreading disinformation to an unsuspecting and gulible populace. However, I do think that if anyone were to call them out on their bias they would just claim that being fair and impartial would infringe on their right of freedom of speech...
Mon Aug 9 2004 12:26 AM
What you liberals don't appreciate is that guys like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Brit Hume and good ole boy Rush Limbaugh to say nothing of the Pres and Veep are genuine heroes who fought bravely for their country as members of the Chickenhawk wing of the Walter Mitty regiment one of the toughest meanest fighting units this country has ever known.
Mon Aug 9 2004 7:16 AM
Every comment I've read seems to be applicable to either side, depending which side of the fence you are on. Democrats are just as guilty as Republicans of propaganda. It cuts both ways. To say otherwise is to be in denial.
Tue Aug 10 2004 9:03 AM
M Otis Beard:
While I certainly support and applaud efforts like OUTFOXED, FAHRENHEIT 9/11, LIES AND THE LYING LIARS WHO TELL THEM, etc., I find that it frustrates me no end to see the "if not A, then B" approach continue to mire even our most laudable pundits and watchdogs in a binary mindset that is simply taken for granted as the way things are and should be. The current state of Republican Party ethics and methods is outlandish, yes. From the very top down their leaders are vile, unprincipled traitors to our country, and much of America's highest-profile media is run unchallenged by the lickspittle lackeys of those traitors... "journalists" who have absolutely no respect for journalistic integrity or even objective truth. In comparison, the Democrats shine like saints, but ONLY in comparison.
Assuming we survive Bush's remaining time in office as a Republic (we're NOT a democracy, no matter what you've heard on TV), the greatest long-term dangers to American political ideals are the lack of choices, and the lack of a sense of civic duty and responsibility in the people themselves. We the people are like a frog being boiled for soup: drop it into hot water, it jumps out... but heat the water incrementally, and it fails to notice until it's too late. We have been suffering, and will continue to suffer, a cycle of progress towards an American fascism that takes two steps forward under conservative administrations, then one step back when the liberals take power. Rousing the American people long enough to get rid of Bush and his self-serving, treasonous ilk will avail us nought in the long run unless the American people can somehow be induced to remain alert and take their duties as citizens seriously.
In Australia, citizens are required to show up at the polls, even if they choose not to vote. Failure to do so results in a fine. Why do we Yanks see voting as a right, and not a responsibility? And having voted, why do we then turn our backs on politicians, when pretty much every American adult with an IQ over 85 takes it for granted that politicians are lying, self-serving, glad-handing phonies at best?
Our system needs some very serious restorative work if we want to retain even a semblance of the freedoms vouchsafed to us by Thomas Jefferson et al. The first thing you as a citizen can do to bring that about is vote, and vote your conscience. Clearly, the Democrats are currently the lesser of two evils, so if you live in a State where the race is too close to call, by all means vote for Kerry... but if you live in a State where there's a clear victory in the works for one candidate or the other, and you're sick of being politically boiled alive, vote for a third party. Don't think of it as throwing your vote away, think of it as sending a message... a message that urgently needs to be received and heeded by our out-of-control leaders: that the American people are running out of patience with a system that routinely restricts our choices to bad or worse.
Or would you prefer to wait until the only solution involves an armed siege on Washington?
M Otis Beard
Wed Aug 11 2004 1:17 AM
Mr Beard's perceptive oberservation about America's journey towards fascism - two steps forward, one step back, is one that I have become increasingly aware of since becoming interested in US politics over ten years ago. It would seem to me that during their time in office, Democrat administrations tend towards 'least harm' government - doing their best within an increasingly corrupt system. The GOP exploit every personal weakness of the incumbent administration, whilst continuing to degrade and corrupt the election process until they can once again seize power. I am optimimistic, however, that there appears to be a critical mass of concerned cititzens reacting against this march towards fascism - the success of Michael Moore, Robert Greenwald's productions, and the proliferation of pro-democracy Internet resources in America is a very positive sign that large swathes of the US population will not accept a repeat of November 2000. There is a large, and growing, minority of people here in the UK and Europe (and I daresay the whole world) who are well aware of the paperless electronic voting machines, the illegitimate purges of voter roles and the corporate control of much of the media - and I believe there will be far more direct protests outside the US than in 2000 if the GOP retain power by illicit means this time round
Thu Aug 12 2004 3:11 AM
But Mr Beard's point is understood - the election of Senator Kerry will not alter the course of America unless the incoming administration is obliged by the American people to steer a new course - opening up the political process to other parties and independents, and (perhaps most importantly) challenge the right of corporations to be regarded as persons in law. This will require constant pressure by concerned citizens - and perhaps pressure from progressive (or potentially progressive) foreign governments.
John Sheldon (London)
Thu Aug 12 2004 3:29 AM
I bought Outfoxed (they've made it cheaply available in the UK via www.cd-wow.com) and couldn't believe what I saw. I might be an avowed pacifist but I've never wanted to hit someone in my life so much as when I saw the O'Reilly interview with the man who lost his father on 9/11. Keep up the very important work...
Fri Aug 13 2004 9:24 AM
There's a perfectly good reason why British writer Dennis Potter named his deadly cancer tumor "Rupert". Potter who was an expert on the misdeeds of the tycoon rightfully hated Murdoch for ruining the British press and warned us all before passing away in 1995.
(If you want to see some of the best television ever, you should get hold of Melvyn Bragg's interview with Potter done three months before DP's death. The interview has also been published as a book by Faber & Faber.)
Sat Aug 14 2004 6:27 PM
I WOULD RATHER DIE ON MY FEET THAN LIVE ON MY KNEES. SOME PRESIDENT
Sat Aug 14 2004 10:34 PM
Yes, four more years of Bush seems unthinkable. But decades more of Murdoch and his allies' control of the media/telecommunications industry around the world is a far more frightening prospect. There needs to be a grassroots effort to get a copy of "OutFoxed" into every American household. I'm starting by sending a copy to my Bill O'Reilly-watching father.
And I agree with John Sheldon. The law(s) that allows corporations to be treated as individual persons in a court of law must be overturned. Otherwise we're fighting a losing battle.
Sun Aug 15 2004 4:42 AM
The importance of journalism, acting on our behalf as a public watch dog for the values our government was built on, has been compromised for
the sake of one political party. This can not stand. People must understand that jounalism isn't about taking sides, rather, it's about presenting all sides, warts and all. I fear in our Prozac induced slumber we've simply opted for the voice with the best news, telling us everything is A-OK, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is loony.
Providing everyone in America with a copy of "Outfoxed" is only a start, first they must understand how a healthy democracy works, and why
a free minded, independant press is essential.
Sun Aug 15 2004 11:56 PM
Not only does Murdoch have his Fox Network, but there is also the New York Post. The Post to me, is the absolute worse paper on the face of the earth. Never have I read a paper that is so bias and misaligns the facts. This country is in great danger,between the white house, the war in Iraq with nearly 1,000 dead ( just think about that for a minute, 1,000 men and women died for no reason. Lives that could have been so fufilling and the lives around them ruined) , the media dominance of Fox and Clear Channel. I could go on. I hope the American people will wake up, vote out Bush and company, boycott Fox and Clear Channel.
Thu Aug 19 2004 5:08 AM
Just saw Outfoxed tonight. Amazing & brilliant work guys. Seeing O'Lielly loose it in front of Jeremy Glick AND then spending a second mischaracterizing his comments sums it all up for me. The interviews of former Fox affiliate broadcasters is very telling. How does this stuff even pass as journalism? I can't believe I ever supported this administration.
Thu Aug 19 2004 11:23 PM
Is anyone worried about the voting in Fla., now that the Hurricane has destroyed so much? I for one am worried that it will be much easier for Jeb to control.
Fri Aug 20 2004 12:23 PM
"Or would you prefer to wait until the only solution involves an armed siege on Washington?"
Right, only problem is you ladies don't have any guns, and couldn't hit the broadside of a barn if you did. Sleep tight though I'll continue to protect you and yours.
Fri Aug 20 2004 12:29 PM
Lets just say that FOX is the voice of GW Bush... so what? Bush is a Moderate Republican. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS are all so far off the left end of the map as it is not even funny. Id realy like to see you people if there ever was an actual right wing news channel as far to the right as CNN is to the left. Then we might see some actual comparisons. Fox is the only TV in the center and they are cable only, the score is 4 to 1 to zero. As far as I care, this Fox scare BS is downright silly.
Sat Aug 21 2004 5:07 PM
Fox News has a former Repub. congressman with a talk show, plus they have Shawn Hannity, who was standing grinning like an idiot right behind Dubya during a Campaign Stop.
CNBC has added the excruciatingly boring, unfunny has-been washed-up comedian Dennis Miller show...snnooze.
MSNBC has "Scarborough Country" with Joe, a former Republican Congressman. His show has a much relation to "truth" as "Marlboro Country" ads. Then, of course NBC has little Billy Bush covering the Olympics & sticking his mug all over the Online TV Guide, & hosting his own show.
Then you got Pat Buchanan all over the place.
Name just ONE Democratic former Congressman hosting his own Cable News show! I sure can't.
Sun Aug 22 2004 4:40 PM
Hmnn..paranoia settles in when folks become confused. Do what I do; listen, evaluate, investigate. Never take any news as fact unless you check it out. That way you can listen to everything with your truth sifter on. Factoid; all media is as biased as the presenter. Just enjoy, it's pure entertainment not necessarily reality. Some of it is pretty funny, admit it.
Wed Aug 25 2004 8:51 AM
I'm going to see "Outfoxed" when it opens in my town on 8/27. Unfortunately, it's only showing in one theater within a more liberal part of town. I hope other venues will show it as well.
To Ray: "Bush is a moderate Republican" ?? Ray, go eat a bag of shit and wake up.
Wed Aug 25 2004 9:53 AM
It must be easy for the leftist masses to hate Bush. He should have started the war here in America first. Maybe the policy divisions are so deep now that we need this country needs to split into at least two halves. Place a great wall from Maine to Southern CA., then pick a side to live on. Time to pull the plug on geting along!
Wed Aug 25 2004 3:06 PM
Please! Just get SOMEBODY to mention the word: "WAR" in a campaign message. While the killing of our boys has been relegated to page 12 in most newspapers, the word "war" has been dropped from the language. Do these people campaigning think America blots out reality while they talk of ribbons?
Thu Aug 26 2004 12:40 PM
Do you not like the Patriot Act? The war in Iraq? Or how about No-Child-Left-Behind? NAFTA?
Well, if not, you shouldn't vote for John Kerry...he voted for every one of 'em.
Thu Aug 26 2004 7:00 PM
To tell both sides of a story is absurd. is the news media supposed to relate two wrong sides of an argument and suppose it equals the truth? The idea that extreme leftist news media "balances out" the right is comically flawed. This balanced reporting idea within our culture could account for the periodic mania of the news media.
It would be fantastic (and interesting)
if the public would rate honesty ,consequences be damned, above all else. Just the facts jack.
Fri Aug 27 2004 6:58 AM
Ray its time you woke up!!!
Sat Aug 28 2004 4:41 PM
Fucking lunatic liberals.
Mon Aug 30 2004 4:32 PM
To usmc: " ...only problem is you ladies don't have any guns, and couldn't hit the broadside of a barn if you did. Sleep tight, though I'll continue to protect you and yours."
Thank you for your offer of protection, though I'd like to look inside that horse's mouth before accepting. I'm an old lady in my 70s who learned how to handle guns when I was a child. Even with failing eyesight I suspect I might outshoot most of the men I know, so please watch those statements about "you ladies".
Twice in my life I've placed myself between two men about to assault each other with deadly force, The first pair were two strangers. Stopping at a convenience store late at night, I approached the counter to pay for something. A tall, handsome customer ahead of me started yelling racial insults louder and louder at the man behind the counter. The clerk was reaching for a gun hidden under the counter (I confirmed this insight later with him). Without forethought I forced myself between the counter and the yelling man, started repeating to him calmly, over and over, that he was embarrassing me, and (my face to the little alligator on his poloshirt) backed him out the door. At the door his arm was grabbed by some fellow and he went away repeating "Crazy woman! Crazy woman!"
Of the second pair I knew both men. There was a certain degree of mutual reapect between me & each of them. We were working together on an outdoor project. At some point the two men were getting on each other's nerves. Something said by the larger man (6'10" ex-basketball player) was misheard as an insult by the smaller (very well muscled ex-con) man. He turned in uncontolled fury, grabbed a six foot iron pry bar to swing it. The larger man grabbed up a large pitchfork to defend himself.
Only problem is that I didn't want blood and gore & its attendant problems on my property, & I had and have no desire to allow anyone to hurt another if I can stop it. Again without forethought I stepped between the men, facing the more out of control one, & was able to talk him down, back him off, & persuade the two men to stay away from each other.
I had no weapon in hand in either case, but I believe my early lessons with deadly weapons, including all the safety instructions and cautions, gave me a kind of physical confidence in dangerous situations that is not often conveyed to young people today.
I'm not deluded enough to think any one person might stop the violence in the world today, no matter what level of practical training or spiritual evolution we might think we've attained, but I sometimes think this could be a much more peaceful world if every young person would be taught the proper care and handling of weapons; & if every one of us who continues to eat meat would be obliged personally to hunt for and kill a certain proportion of the meat we eat each year & inhumane factory meat-making would be abolished; & if every one of us could be taught some rather simple techniques for conflict resolution and respect for other life; & if American TV (Fox & all the major channels) did not glamorize war & weave violence into almost all our "entertainment".
Tue Aug 31 2004 9:33 PM
Dems are al HELL bound
Thu Sep 2 2004 11:43 PM
Hey new. what rock did you climb out from under.
By the way kiss my ass scum. (I guess you'll understand that)
What is the greater evil.
Questioning the government and media.
Being told what to do and say by the government and media.
Fri Sep 3 2004 12:57 AM
Great job on Outfoxed. Just got done watching it.
I new it was bad but I didn't think it was that bad.
Imagine we let some power hungry Ausie come here and do this kind of crap.
Perhaps the scariest thing is when all the other news channels followed Fox's lead and announced Bush as the winner in Florida. I hope to God some of the other news channels are willing to stand up for journalistic integrity.
OReilly really is nothing more than a cheap thug for the Republican agenda. I didn't realize how much he was kissing Murdochs ass until watching OutFoxed.
I acutally used to like the guy. But he's gone wacko. Tells everyone to shutup, cuts down people who disagree with him. Cuts the mike when someone makes a point he disagrees with and is all and all just an intimidating thug for the Republican party. And lets not forget a zealous lier with no conception of self awareness.
I guess its like in high school where the bully always gets his way because everyone else is afraid to stand up to him.
Some people would say a guy like him might be a bigger threat to freedom of thought and action than terrorists in Iraq.
(noticed how I used Fox techniques in the above paragraph)
(the 'some people would say' thing is brilliant)
But its time to 'face the face'.
Everyone who wants to preserve freedom of thought and expression in America or doesn't believe that the country should be run on the policies of the Christian Right, or who isn't completely paranoid about terrorists around every corner, or who just wants to restore our country to some level of sanity better get out there and vote for Kerry and also talk sense to everyone who is on the fence and/or been brainwashed by the conservative talk show media or by the Fox news channel. Get every vote you can and start now or you'll be licking Bush's jackboots.
Fri Sep 3 2004 1:20 AM
you are just a bunch of girlyman wimps!
Fri Sep 3 2004 8:15 PM
so you want a revolution?
Sat Sep 4 2004 12:30 PM
Erik from Sweden:
Saw some research from around the world about who the rest of the world would like to win the election, I guess you all can guess the answer(Kerry, not even close). And just so you know, the ones that voted for Bush probably did it because they hate America and want your country to crash down in flames.
I for one hope Kerry wins, for everyones sake.
BTW, O´Reilly is by far the most insane tv personality you have in the us. And that says alot. He´s so narrowminded it´s scary.
Thu Sep 9 2004 3:42 PM
I just have to say thank you to fox, O'rielly, Rush and the rest of the boy's and girls. It is so entertaining to watch a good ol'American election. If Shakespere were alive today what joy he would experience!and what play's he would write! Thank you , Thank you!
Fri Sep 10 2004 1:22 PM
Thanks, I've added this item to my page:
Tell your friends about it!
Sat Sep 11 2004 11:11 AM
Does not anybody remember how the Right hated Fox at first with all their trashy, sexy, over-the-top shows like "Married With Children"? Does anybody remember how Fox was panned (as later UPN was) for going to the lowest common denominator and showing and saying just about anything to get viewers and ratings? If I was on the Right, I would be angry at Fox for pandering to my worse fears and concerns over the Left. Fox is out to make a buck, not help inform the citizens of a democracy.
Tue Sep 14 2004 4:53 PM
Is it just me or is Bush the worst president in U.S. history? I truly believe so. Bush is a lier and a crook. I pray to God that this man DOES NOT win the white house again.
Wed Sep 22 2004 7:52 AM
To be honest with you, Bill OReilly can go to right-wing hell. I can care less about what OReilly is saying. I would pay whatever price to just punch him in the nose. When it's all said and done, people on this sorry earth of ours, will pay their dues. Judgement day is coming.
Wed Sep 22 2004 8:11 AM
You liberals are just mad that you don't have a monopoly on the news like you used too. We now have more than the Big 3 liberal networks shoving left wing elitism down our throats every night. Yeah sure, Fox isn't exactly like the other liberal networks but why is Fox so bad and the other clearly liberal networks so good?
Wed Sep 22 2004 12:21 PM
How about getting back to non politically motivated journalism.
Do you think we ever will?
Or is it just a reflection of whoever owns the network?
Perhaps a flaw in capitalism. Breeding greedy power hungry monopolists who wish to propagandize the news.
Wed Sep 22 2004 10:54 PM
Very well said! I applaud your story and it's lesson. I hope someday your example is followed on a broader scale.
Thu Sep 23 2004 5:52 AM
Fox now has ratings more than the total of CNN, CNN Headline, CNBC and MSNBC combined.
Fri Sep 24 2004 6:33 AM
You can't trust the right:
Somebody please tell me this...where in the hell are the WMD's, huh? Can anybody tell me? Bush sure the hell can't. Bush is a lying son of a b***h and somebody needs to stand up to this terrible and I mean terrible "so-called" president.
Fri Sep 24 2004 6:51 AM
"When you're twenty, If you're not a liberal you have heart. By the time you're thirty, if you're not a conservative you have no brains."
True in 1940, True today.
Wed Oct 6 2004 1:13 PM
Jim, thanks for putting this terrific material on the web. Possibly my thoughts, regarding the role of Rupert Murdoch in the recently concluded election campaign in Australia, of which I am sure some of your site visitors are all too painfully aware, may be of interest. They are at:
... within the the thread, begun on 9 Oct entitled, "Three more years"
Let's not for a minute lose sight of the fact that the Liberals have NOT won this election FAIRLY by any stretch of the imagination.
I doubt if more than 20% of those who voted for the Coalition parties would have understood the basic facts behind any of the contentious issues, and if they had, the outcome would have been very different. All major dailies, except The Canberra Times(opposed) and the SMH, endorsed John Howard, with misleading dishonest editorials. For more information, see the posting on Margo Kingston's web site:
If we don't think it is possible to do anything about this perversion of democracy we have just witnessed, then the value of any political discourse can be no more than academic.
I actually believe that it is and always was possible to do something, even with the seemingly overwhelming power of the Media magnates.
"Let's not for a minute lose sight of the fact that the Liberals have NOT won this election FAIRLY by any stretch of the imagination."
Because they lied? This isn't the first time either major party's done that, nor will it be the last. If you start proclaiming this an illegitimate victory and all that sort of codswallop you're just heading down the path to becoming one of the first real "Howard-haters" out there. Remember the Republicans in the 90s, with their "Clinton isn't a legitimate President!" bullshit? You wanna be the Australian equivalent, James?
Then I responded to "Mark":
Mark, whilst you are not concerned by the fact that a huge proportion of the electorate was successfully misled by the Prime Minister and our news-media, I am. My concept of a healthy functional democracy includes informed choice, and Australia failed that test abysmally yesterday, in my humble opinion.
I suggest you have a look at the Doonesbury cartoons of July, in regards to the journalistic practices of Murdoch's media in the US here.
... and then contemplate the fact that this is how 70% of Australia's print media and a high proportion of our TV and Radio media are run.
Of course, if a large number of those, who voted Liberal and National yesterday, don't soon come to realise just how badly duped they were, we are indeed in for three very grim years under John Howard.
I do happen to agree with those who suggest that some self criticism by those oppposed to John Howard is in order, although I am not sure if the sort of self-critcism I would like to see is what they had in mind.
Those out there who who genuinely care for others and the future of our planet, need to decide if they will go on for the next three years, just as they did for the last three years, and the three years before that, and the three years before that, in which case, in 2007, we will be exactly where we are today ...
... or whether to take a good hard look at themselves and apply the lessons from the terrible experience we have just been through.
A good start would be to counter the pernicious influence of the media empires, which I believe is possible, if the evidence, such as that presented on Margo Kingston's web diary were to be made more widely understood.
best regards to all of you concerned and very decent Americans over there.
Sat Oct 9 2004 5:19 PM
In response to James's posting regarding the Australian election result - it is no doubt a terrible result. You will be aware the cross-media and foreign ownership laws will be relaxed so that media moguls such as Murdoch, Packer and the rest can take over a t.v. station or newspaper - changing the bias to suit their company interests.
However don't forget that the media shapes people's minds and it is an integral part of the capitalist system by keeping people blind to the real facts, it is a propaganda outlet owned and controlled by capitalists for money to be made.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter who is in charge - the Capitalist system of profit, environmental destruction, suffering and poverty will continue on its blind path. Reforms will happen, but whether a left or right-wing government is elected, the outcome effecting our daily lives won't change at all. People will still get lied to by companies, media and politicians (in every part of Australia), workers will still get exploited, the wealth will still accrue to the priviliged minority (the ruling class) and the only way to end this devastating era in human existence is to rid the entire capitalist system and replace it with one of common ownership and democratic control.
I agree with the previus posting who mentioned we don't live in a democratic world. The people only choose a government to rule over them. We don't participate in the decision-making for building new factories, hospitals, roads etc. (unless you're a business owner and have an influence of political and economic power) and what raw materials to use for infrastructure, or technology to use for transport. Governments everywhere operate in secret, doing deals with big corporations putting profit first ahead of human need and environmental safety.
Capitalism needs to be ended so that people like Murdoch and Packer don't have the opportunity to wield such ridiculous power in the western world.
Socialism is they key for change:
Tue Oct 12 2004 10:11 PM
Wow, I just can't believe some things I'm hearing! I just got told about this website and I must say that I'm so excited it's out there! Keep spreading the word and hopefully it'll make some sort of dent in society!
Wed Oct 13 2004 4:42 PM
please americans vote bush out and make the world safer
Sun Oct 31 2004 9:52 PM
Thanks lori, change occurs as quickly as an idea travels.. but a lot of damage has been done to the socialist and communist movement by misinformation through news reporting and presidents (nixon in particular). Also what happened in China, Russia and Cuba - state capitalism - also did the socialist movement a hell of a lot of damage.
Kizla - if you want real peace, Socialism is worth having a look at and understanding. Have a look at the website and get in contact with some local members in America through the World Socialist Party (US) - WSPUS. The international website is:
Mon Nov 1 2004 12:46 AM
LOL, I have to laugh at the interesting commentary concerning our Australian elections. Though not a conservative voter there was no way in hell I would have laid my vote down for anyone who has never held a job outside of politics in their life (especially one who has been so particularly bad at it), Mark "Slugger" Latham was no choice, the people did not vote FOR Howard, they voted AGAINST Latham.
But I suppose that reinforces the point, do we really have a choice. All politicians are so crooked they have to screw their pants on every morning, and it isn't "we the people" who supply copious amounts of money to their re-election funds...
As for the media they will move left and right to suit their own money making agenda, hey, they always have a bet each way when contributing (both murdoch and packer camps pumped large amounts of funds into the two Australian political parties... most of which was used to buy advertising back from all media outlets).
Here is the rub, politicians spend most of the money during elections on buying advertising, feeding money into the coffers of the media magnates. The media magnates who are looking for favourable outcomes from whoever wins government pour money each way.
And lets not forget who the media get their licenses to broadcast from in the first place...
Media corrupts the political process just as much as the politicians corrupt the media. Cest la vie, welcome to the 21st century.
Tue Nov 23 2004 3:07 AM
G'day Garry & Jim
Well done. You have a fight on your hands with FOX, but I know your up for it, and there's a lot of folks backing you from all around the world. Power to the people!
Sat Jan 1 2005 6:24 PM
a real person:
it sickens me that liberal pinko kerryite scum have internet connections. war is a horrible thing, but the iraqis would've suffered many years of torture under the hussein family, and now that the americans have disposed of them, we can finally get democracy into the middle east. Civilians die in war. sad but true, but those civilians would've been tortured under saddam and then the country would've been split in half under uday and qusay, which would have started an even more horrible war, in which many would die of extreme measures. face it, america have done the middle east a favour in liberating iraq. and you say that the republicans have the airways, all we have in england is the bbc and their horrible left-wing, live-aid rants about communism and how tony blair has destroyed england again (which he has). you should be proud to have a more even minded media than the brits. Power to the moddle america, and let the democrats die a bloody death
Sat Jun 18 2005 5:14 AM
My wife and I are going to show the Outfoxed DVD to as many people as possible.
We then will donate it to our library.
I urge all of you to do the same.
SPREAD the word
Sat Jul 30 2005 9:40 PM
I would like to see Doonesbury include what the US Peace Government and the other 107 Peace Governments are doing that will create a war-free planet. The strip should include "yogic flyers" and information about the 3000 Peace Palaces that are being built where yogic flyers will fly together. (Research has proven that when the number of yogic flyers flying together in one place is the square root of the area's population, the brain wave coherence that they have in their brain radiates out throughout the area. 8,000 yogic flyers would create an influence that would radiate around the world.)
Sun Sep 4 2005 10:45 AM
Read the whole thing and could not find a single intellgent post.
Fri Nov 11 2005 11:32 AM
I wonder if Wal can actually read? Or just a nut?
Fri Nov 18 2005 4:54 PM
Oops, meant WALT.
Fri Nov 18 2005 4:56 PM
Billy Bob Joe:
this sucks monkey nuts!!!
Mon Jan 16 2006 11:15 AM
This excellent documentary reinforced what I already knew.
Sat Mar 25 2006 10:03 PM
People wake up! Murdoch has bought MYSPACE.COM and is poisoning the minds of your children with deceit. Pro right agenda posts as obnoxious as "Kill all the homos" are allowed to stand while "Bush and his Supreme Court are Traitors" can get a user banned.
MYSPACE.COM is an evil force and just one of Murdoch's new tools.
Tue Apr 4 2006 12:47 AM
Nice site. Thanks!!!
Mon Aug 28 2006 9:13 AM
"Shut up! Just Shut Up!!!"
From now on, this is all I can ever think of when I watch Bill O. haha
Wed Oct 11 2006 10:10 PM