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Michael Moore is on the cover of Time

July 5, 2004 10:34 PM

Not only that, but Time mentioned Uncovered, calling it "a sober and devastating critique of Bush's foreign policy," and included a quote from Robert:


I don't think it's about hating the President. It's that politics has been brought home to the deepest part of ourselves. People now feel Politics Is Me.

I don't like this film being reduced to Bush vs. Kerry. The issues in it are larger than that ... When Clinton was President, I went after him. And if Kerry's President, on Day Two I'll be on him.


I really hope Kerry doesn't give us as much material to work with as GWB has, but I'm sure there will be plenty to talk about. I did finally find a reason to vote for Kerry other than the "at least he's not Bush" argument: he supports stem cell research.

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dhermesc:

Did you ever notice that there are no Germans going around the world saying, or making movies about, how awful Germany is or has been? Given that Germany unleashed two world wars and invented industrialized genocide, why has there been no German Michael Moore?

Are there any Japanese making films about the absence of Japanese soul-searching or expressions of sorrow over their country's enslavement, torture and murder of Asians in World War II? Has anyone ever encountered any Japanese self-hate?

Any Belgians telling the world how bad their country is? Argentinians? French? France surely has reason to produce people ashamed of their country.

Many on the American Left loathe America (they love the Constitution and their vision of what America could be) and have contempt for the average American. That is why most of the Left has such admiration for Michael Moore, who has said, among so much more, the following:

Americans "are possibly the dumbest people on the planet . . . in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug p----s" (London Daily Mirror).

"Should such an ignorant people lead the world?" (open letter to the German People in Die Zeit).

Elsewhere, he speaks of America as bringing immeasurable misery and sadness to the world and as essentially deserving attacks on it.

Tue Jul 6 2004 11:33 AM


dhermesc:

"did finally find a reason to vote for Kerry other than the "at least he's not Bush" argument: he supports stem cell research."

IF stem cell research was so promising PRIVATE companies would be leading the charge for developement - imagine the enormous fortunes to be made by the company that developes a cure for Alzheimers and other neurological maladies.

The "stem cell research ban" only applies to government subsidized research - the doors are still wide open to private research. For that reason I think the potential for miracle cures from stem cell research is extremely limited at best, and a giant con at worst.

Tue Jul 6 2004 11:41 AM


J:

To critize your country is to love your country. Period. Have you even seen Fahrenheit 9/11? Or are you one of those people who feel it is a 'pack of lies'? Moore is on the verge of offering $10,000 for anyone who can find a factual error. The fact he'd even publically discuss that pretty much speaks for itself.

Despite your reservations about what negative you could dig up or came across in your conservative media of choice, I strongly encourage you to view the entirity of Fahrenheit 9/11 and perhaps then re-evaluate your comment that Michael Moore "loathes" America.

Totally ridiculous.

Wed Jul 7 2004 3:22 PM


dhermesc:

Deceits & lies 1-2

Fahrenheit 9/11 begins on election night 2000. We are first shown the Al Gore rocking on stage with famous musicians and a high-spirited crowd. The conspicuous sign on stage reads “Florida Victory.” Moore creates the impression that Gore was celebrating his victory in Florida.

Actually, the rally took place in the early hours of election day, before polls had even opened. Gore did campaign in Florida on election day, but went home to Tennessee to await the results. The “Florida Victory” sign reflected Gore’s hopes, not any actual election results. (“Gore Campaigns Into Election Day,” Associated Press, Nov. 7, 2000.)

The film shows CBS and CNN calling Florida for Al Gore. According to the narrator, “Then something called the Fox News Channel called the election in favor of the other guy….All of a sudden the other networks said, ‘Hey, if Fox said it, it must be true.’”

We then see NBC anchor Tom Brokaw stating, “All of us networks made a mistake and projected Florida in the Al Gore column. It was our mistake.”

Moore thus creates the false impression that the networks withdrew their claim about Gore winning Florida when they heard that Fox said that Bush won Florida.

In fact, the networks which called Florida for Gore did so early in the evening—before polls had even closed in the Florida panhandle, which is part of the Central Time Zone. NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:49:40 p.m., Eastern Time. This was 10 minutes before polls closed in the Florida panhandle. Thirty seconds later, CBS called Florida for Gore. And at 7:52 p.m., Fox called Florida for Gore. Moore never lets the audience know that Fox was among the networks which made the error of calling Florida for Gore prematurely. Then at 8:02 p.m., ABC called Florida for Gore. Only ABC had waited until the Florida polls were closed.

The premature calls probably cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided, and many voters who were waiting in line left the polling place. In Florida, as elsewhere, voters who have arrived at the polling place before closing time often end up voting after closing time, because of long lines. The conventional wisdom of politics is that supporters of the losing candidate are most likely to give up on voting when they hear that their side has already lost. (Thus, on election night 1980, when incumbent President Jimmy Carter gave a concession speech while polls were still open on the West coast, the early concession was widely blamed for costing the Democrats several Congressional seats in the West. The fact that all the networks had declared Reagan a landslide winner while West coast voting was still in progress was also blamed for Democratic losses in the West.) Even if the premature television calls affected all potential voters equally, the effect was to reduce Republican votes significantly, because the Florida panhandle is a Republican stronghold; depress overall turnout in the panhandle, and you will necessarily depress more Republican than Democratic votes.

At 10:00 p.m., which network took the lead in retracting the premature Florida result? The first retracting network was CBS, not Fox.

Over four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox projected Bush as the Florida winner, as did all the other networks by 2:20 a.m.

CBS had taken the lead in making the erroneous call for Gore, and had taken the lead in retracting that call. At 3:59 a.m., CBS also took the lead in retracting the Florida call for Bush. All the other networks, including Fox, followed the CBS lead within eight minutes. That the networks arrived at similar conclusions within a short period of time is not surprising, since they were all using the same data from the Voter News Service. (Linda Mason, Kathleen Francovic & Kathleen Hall Jamieson, “CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations” (CBS News, Jan. 2001), pp. 12-25.)

SO where do I go for my $10,000? Moore didn't even make it out of the first 10 minutes without screwing it up.

Thu Jul 8 2004 6:03 AM


dhermesc:

Expecting accurate and balanced reporting from Micheal Moore is like expecting accurate and balanced reporting from Rush Limbaugh.

Thu Jul 8 2004 6:31 AM


ITIL Consultant:

I used to really be into politics but gave up when i actually realised that they all lie about everything so there really isnt any point in voting for anyone. Just my 2p!

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ITIL Consultant

Fri Jul 9 2004 3:51 AM


njguardsman:

Rush Limbaugh does not hide behind being a "journalist", he is a political commentator giving us his views on current political issues and if Peter Jennings and his buddies on CBS & NBC would stop saying they’re UNBIAST and stop saying they call things down the middle (when they don’t) that would legitimize them more in my eyes.

No one could tell me there is not a “Left Wing Conspiracy” four years ago the press was saying the George W Bush didn’t have the experience to be President yet there is not a peep about the experience that John Edwards has if he and Kerry win, he would be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

An hour after Saddam was captured, Peter Jennings commented about the U. S. violating Saddam’s civil rights.

Fri Jul 9 2004 8:29 PM


njguardsman:

dhermesc you are my hero keep it up I back you 100%

Keep those facts coming!!!!

Fri Jul 9 2004 8:37 PM


Rick Spung:

If Moore wanted to tell the truth, why didn't he say Richard Clarke ok'ed the Saudi flights?

Why didn't he say the Clinton administration's bin Laden indictment linked al-Qaeda with Iraq for the purposes of developing WMDs?

Why didn't he say Joseph Wilson's trip actually confirmed, rather than denied, Iraq's attempts to obtain uranium from Niger?

Wed Jul 14 2004 3:09 PM


Nathaniel-M. Naske:

A classic tactic of the propagandist is to project the very methods you are using onto the "despised other," as evinced by the blustery front of Bill O'Reilly when confronted with the facts, seen most recently in his televised confrontation with NY Times columnist Paul Krugman. Bush and his attack-dog, Karl Rove, are geniuses at accusing those who dare present the "true facts," as compared to the RNC-vetted "friendly facts," of outright lying and distortion. Bush and Rove then casually go on to do exactly the opposite of what they say they are doing (See "Clear Skies Act," "Clean Water Act," etc.) in a wily update of Joseph Goebbels "Big Lie" theory -- the bigger the lie, and the more often it is repeated serves to replace the truth --- the Bushies are then free to proceed with their anti-human agenda of the privatization and enslavement of the "underclasses"( anybody who makes less than a quarter million dollars a year.) As shown by the ignorant posting directly previous to mine, there are always those that prefer to stick their heads in the sand and their asses in the air, and hope that the rugged rogering they are receiving from the Bush administration at least comes with a "compassionate conservative" reacharound. It is all about the Right's use of oft-repeated buzzwords and catch-phrases which obfuscate the true issue, which is the continued looting of America by corporate interests.

Wed Sep 1 2004 4:03 PM


Scobie Puchtler:

Nathaniel,
three cheers on your above 'position paper' from an old friend,
Scobie.

I think it would be a kick to talk after all these years.... what's it been, 20 or more?

scobie@seanet.com

Wed Oct 6 2004 11:05 PM


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