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The Debate -- live blogging

September 30, 2004 6:06 PM

Oh boy...60 seconds in, and Kerry's already talking strategy...130 seconds in and Bush has already invoked 9/11.

:8 When asked if Kerry was elected whether there would be another terrorist attack, Bush said he didn't think it's going to happen... a terrorist attack? No. He was referring to John Kerry winning. Unbelievable. It's truly the only thing he cares about -- being POTUS.

:12 Kerry pointed out that Bush flip-flopped on going to the UN before invading Iraq. He didn't say "flip-flop"... "His campaign has a word for this."

:13 Bush: No, YOU flip-flopped.

:15 Bush has now said "The world is safer without Saddam Hussein" TWICE.

:16 "Of course we're after Saddam Huss..I mean bin Laden."

:17 FUCK YEAH! Kerry's calm and tight, and Bush is already defensive and his voice is rising. Kerry's ahead.

:22 Whoa. Bush just went snarky: how's Kerry gonna pay for all these promises?

:24 Bush: Of course I'm doing everything I can to keep us safe.

:28 Kerry: "I know what it's like to not know what's around the corner." (referring to combat)

:29 Bush used the "voted for the 87 billion before voted against it". Kerry's response? "I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. Bush made a mistake about going to war. Which is worse?"

:32 Kerry's really doing well. He's calm, articulate. Bush is clearly rattled and upset: "That's totally absurd."

:34 Bush keeps invoking the troops, you can't lead the troops saying things like "you've been coerced and bribed" and that the war is "a diversion." "We're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals." That type of thing.

:37 Fox News just did a split screen where the podium was several inches higher for Bush so that the tops of both of their heads lined up. HAHAHA

:41 Bush: "The only thing consistent about my opponent's position is he's inconsistent." He keeps saying this same thing over and over. Kerry changes his positions, I never do.

:44 Bush: "Saddam Hussein Was. A. Threat."

:55 Bush is really, really consistent. Kerry flip-flops, I'm resolute. Over and over. Clearly, that's the only thing the Bush campaign wants to get across.

:59 Kerry: "What is at stake here is the credibility of the United States of America."

:61 Bush: It's smart that we didn't join a court (the International Criminal Court) that can try our own people. Wow, does he even realize what that sounds like to the rest of the world?

:71 Bush: I admire Kerry's service. I admire that he's a great dad. Our kids like each other. .. and then right in to "You can't lead if you send mixed messages." AGAIN.

:73 Here we go, finally Kerry figured out what Bush was doing. Kerry "It's one thing to be certain. But what if you're wrong?"

:75 What's the single biggest priority? Kerry: "Nuclear proliferation." Bush secured less nuclear material in the 2 years after 9/11 than the 2 years before.

:77 Kerry: "Talk about mixed messages!" We're building bunker-busting nuclear missiles, and telling everyone else not to.

:88 Bush: "all volunteer military"

:89 Bush: "We've climbed the mighty mountain, and I see the valley below. It is a valley of peace." A valley of peace?

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Read the 21 comments.

Matt:

Republicans everywhere are embarrased!!!

Thu Sep 30 2004 7:04 PM


Red Ghost:

Kerry is absolutely amazing...

Thu Sep 30 2004 7:27 PM


evil conservative666:

Grandstanding. If this is the best Kerry can do, I have no doubt about who's winning in November.

Fri Oct 1 2004 6:22 AM


Michael Elsdörfer:

Anybody knows where a foreigner can download a recording of the debate?

Fri Oct 1 2004 8:46 AM


Aaron:

Grandstanding? Is this the best Kerry can do? You've got to be kidding. That's either blind or dumb or both.

It's just sad watching the Conservatives fumble for something to prop up Bush.

Kerry dominated the debate, Bush looked like a deer in headlights most of the night. The Liberals know it, but they're keeping it close to their chest. The Conservatives know it, but they will never admit it.

The world saw the reality of the debate and the rightwing are swimming in a sea of denial. That works when the American public doesn't know better, but now we've seen the two men face to face, and that just doesn't fly anymore.

Kerry nailed point after point on what Bush has done wrong and what he would do to fix it, an endless list of things, and all Bush could muster was the same, tired "mixed message" comment, over and over again. Even after Kerry proved to the whole world that that argument carries no weight.

The debate reaction polls show over 50% of Americans saw Kerry as victorious and some 35% thought Bush won. And yes, in case you're wondering, those 35% are primarily the right wingers that were gonna declare a Bush victory even if he ran off the stage crying.

Fri Oct 1 2004 8:56 AM


raging red:

Michael, you can watch video of the debate here:

http://www.c-span.org/2004vote/debates.asp?Cat=Current_Event&Code=PresVP_04&Rot_Cat_CD=PresVP_04

(Though sometimes I have trouble watching video on C-SPAN's web site.)

You can also read a transcript here:

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html

Fri Oct 1 2004 9:49 AM


evil conservative666:

First off, if the democrats had nominated Joe Lieberman, I'd have a hell of a time deciding on my vote. It was the shot in the foot manuever on the left that's solidified my decision. So I'm not a blind, dumb Republican.

Second, Kerry had to come out and present a clear plan on Iraq. He did the best job I've seen him do at being a public speaker. He wisely used his time, spoke clearly, looked the part of a nominee. Finally.

However, his pattern of contradicting himself on most issues remains untouchable. He's probably fully pissed off the anti-war left for good now, since he's decided that we have to stay in Iraq with no quick exit strategy. (funny, I actually agree with him on that.) He screams about $200 billion (actually around $120 billion), but will increase our presence in Iraq. Perhaps through the draft? Perhaps this is why he's quoting $200 billion? I'm done asking questions about him, Bush wins.

Fri Oct 1 2004 10:02 AM


njguardsman:

GLOBAL TEST?!?!?!?!? If Kerry's elected we have to put our nation's defence to a "Global Test"?!?!?!?

He (Kerry) says that we should have N Korea in Bilateral talks, didnt we do that already?!?!? Didnt they (N Korea)walk out because they didnt get what they wanted?!?!?!?

Fri Oct 1 2004 10:03 AM


njguardsman:

Kerry again doesnt trust "U.S." BUT trusts the world to defend America.

Fri Oct 1 2004 10:10 AM


Michael:

Well its obvious to me that Kerry won the debate hands down.

Bush is like a one note song.

He came off like a dullard. If you believe in only one way of negotiating he’s your man. That is - nobody will ever do what you want them to unless they are leveraged. You actually have to be intelligent if your going to get things done any other way. Yes, you can be strong and intelligent at the same time.

The conservative yahoos on this blog only do one thing. Pick a flaw and hammer it to death. One note Charlies. Pick and criticize, pick and criticize. Has any one of them ever offered an intelligent positive view point for the future of this country? Has any one of them got the courage to put forth an opinion other than a criticism? I doubt it. They don’t have the courage or the intelligence.

Bill O Rielly spun himself off as a liberal on 60 minutes this weekend and now after Kerry clearly won the debate is showing his true colors. In speaking about Bush’s criticism of Kerry’s changing of positions he said he thought this was old news and that ‘we have to further the argument’. Notice the slip of the use of ‘we’. So don’t be fooled into thinking he is bipartisan because he isn’t. Also he had the majority of phone calls screened to be Bush supporters and his voice would rise in pitch as he criticized Kerry and soften as he criticized Bush.
The no spin spinmeister.

I thought Bush made some good points a few times he had me going but then I realized that the guy is basically a lier. Yeah things in Iraq are going really well. We are winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqis. The economy is booming. The war is being fought in the best way. Helping corporations will help the rest of us. on and on with the spin.

Does anybody have a clear idea of what Bush’s plan is? I don’t. After last night I have a much clearer idea of where Kerry is headed regarding Iraq than Bush. I don’t believe Bush has the intelligence to actually be on top of everything that is going on in Iraq. I believe he just hopes his guys will take care of it.

What about Sudan. Genocide taking place and we won’t or can’t do anything about it. Why? Because we’re already spread to thin in Iraq and our President has unrealistic goals. Is genocide not a worthy enough cause Mr. Republicans. Doesn’t have anything to do with us does it Mr. Republicans. Doesn’t serve us in any way does it Mr Republicans. Real courageous and honorable of you Mr. Republicans.

By the way as Kerry starts to move ahead in the poles don’t start feeling sorry for these Republicans, let them have it.

We need a strong more noble America. Being the world bully may be comforting to the ignorant but it is really not enough for this great country of ours.


Fri Oct 1 2004 10:43 AM


yahoo conservative666:

Michael,

I've rewritten this thing a few times trying to figure out a way to respond to your little manifesto. This time I've got it right: you're stupid.

Fri Oct 1 2004 11:11 AM


yahoo conservative666:

Nice try little mister.
Whats your real name anyway?

Sarcastic idiot?

Fri Oct 1 2004 11:40 AM


Right Wing Robby:

Michael,

We the United States is doing exactly what International Kerry wants us to do. Makes sure the entire world agrees with us in Sudan. We took it to the UN just like you libs want. Now we are waiting for them to argue over the definition of Genocide. We have plenty of available troops to handle the Sudan situation.
You believe your liberal lies too much.

The situation in Sudan is being handled they way you libs always argue for. In the meantime people are getting slaughtered while we wait for International consensus. This is such a perfect example of how misguided Kerrys ideas are.

The UN is WORTHLESS and John Kerry wants our defense decisions to go through them. What a joke.

Fri Oct 1 2004 11:49 AM


evil conservative666:

Yeah, I am a little sarcastic. Too smart for your own good though. Hear that? That's the sound of me partaking in a useless argument with a pinko lefty.

Fri Oct 1 2004 11:54 AM


Michael:

hey Robby
Where is your righteous president going it alone and helping out the people that really need it in the Sudan. I guess that doesn't qualify eh! Especially when you can blame it on the UN and the liberals. What a joke you guys are!

Evil,
what the hell are you talking about you haven't said squat about anything.

Fri Oct 1 2004 12:58 PM


INGY BINGLEBOP:

GEORGE BUSH WON THIS DEBATE BY A LONG ONE.....IF NONE OF YOU DUMB DEMOCTATS CAN UNDERSTAND THIS GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT IN TIME OF WAR AND SUPPORT THE TROPOS!! GEORGE BUSH IS A BRILLANT MAN AND HE WENT TO YAIL SO ALL OF THESE "BUSHISMMS" NEED TO STOP!!!!! JOHN KERRY CANNOT BE PRESDENT!! US REPUBLICALNS WILL WIN THE ELECTION!!!!! YOU DEMOTRACTS ARE FAGGOTS!

Fri Oct 1 2004 4:55 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

Right Wing Robby apparently believes there are plenty of available troops to handle the Sudan situation. Can anyone say 'draft'? Your pulling troops out of Afghanistan/South Korea to bring troop strength up in Iraq, which will not be shifted over to an international force no matter how much Kerry thinks he can charm the Euros. You will need many more in Iraq the more you use heavy handed tactics to 'pacify' insurgent cities. And its only a matter of time before you have to go back to Afghanistan, probably after another 9-11 type incident to remind you of who the real enemy was the first time out. The military is bleeding troops who are a.dying/wounded b.not re-enlisting due to overextended deployments. The Pentagon has begun recruiting for local draft boards. Some 60,000 of the 130,000 US soldiers in Iraq are members of the National Guard or the reserves. An opinion poll 1 year ago in the Pentagon-funded Stars and Stripes newspaper, showed 49% threatening not to re-enlist. Imagine what it is now?

Are you ready to 'be all you can be'?

Fri Oct 1 2004 8:40 PM


njguardsman:

Hay Mike of the great white north

The PRES just said it NO DRAFT!!!, the only person who is pushing for the draft is Charlie Rangle form New York(hope I spelled his name correctly).

Fri Oct 8 2004 8:52 PM


PAz:

nj-
The president says a lot of things during the election season, i.e. gay marriage is an issue for the states.

Sat Oct 9 2004 4:08 PM


njguardsman:

Paz

An so does the man who wants his job!

Sun Oct 10 2004 8:38 PM


njguardsman:

Hay PAZ

Read and learn who /what John Kerry is:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1235321/posts

Mon Oct 11 2004 7:13 PM


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