From Jim Gilliam's blog archives2nd Debate -- live blogging
October 8, 2004 5:49 PM
-:12 I'll be live blogging this debate too. See ya in a few.
:02 Ooh. The audience has been certified "undecided." Wonder what was involved in that?
:04 Kerry patted Bush on the back.. wonder if he was feeling for the supposed wire?
:04 Cheryl's question for Kerry: "Are you too wishy-washy?"
:05 Kerry: Bush has turned his campaign into a "weapon of mass deception."
:07 Bush is repeating the same old "flip-flops." Mentioned Howard Dean. "There's a lot of pressures. You gotta be firm and consistent."
:08 Question: Do you sincerely believe this to be a reasonable justification for war?
:09 Bush: same old same old. 9/11 changed it all. Repeated the 75% of al-Qaeda brought to justice lie.
:13 Kerry: "If we'd used smart diplomacy, we could have saved $200 billion, an invasion of Iraq and right now Osama bin Laden might be in jail or dead. That's the war against terror."
:16 Bush: Iraqi foreign minister was optimistic, until he heard the media here and he got pessimistic.
:17 Bush: "I know how these people think. .. They're not going to follow an American president who says follow me into a mistake!"
:17 Kerry: "The right war was Osama bin Laden."
:18 Bush: "My opponent thought he had weapons." Forcefully, "You gotta have resolve."
:20 Bush is being very forceful, aggressive. "People love America." I don't think this is gonna work for him.
:21 Kerry: Bush promises more of the same. He brought up 2000 debate where Bush said he would only go to war if we had a viable exit strategy.
:22 Here Bush goes again... almost yelling, talking very quickly.
:24 So far, all the questions have been foreign policy.
:25 Kerry: Very hard to get other countries to give up their nuclear weapons, when we're busy building our own.
:26 Bush: "That answer almost made me want to scowl." With a really lame delivery. Uncomfortable chuckling in the audience.
:28 The Draft Question!
:28 Bush: "I hear there's rumors on the Internets." The Internets??
:29 Bush: "We're flying unmanned vehicles." So who's flying the unmanned vehicle, Mr. President?
:31 Bush: WHOAA! Bush just completely interrupted Charlie, almost an argument! He's getting unhinged!
:32 Kerry: "Mr. President, countries are leaving the coalition." Fucking beautiful. Bush just got schooled.
:33 This is huge. Bush is going down in flames. Incredible.
:36 Bush: "I don't see how you can win in Iraq if you don't think we should be there in the first place. ... This war is a long, long, war."
:38 I see, now come the domestic issues. Why did you cut off Canadian drugs?
:38 Bush: I want to make sure they cure you, and don't kill you. "Looks like it might be coming from Canada, and it could be the third world."
:41 Kerry: Four years ago, Bush said he thought drugs from canada would be a good idea. Bush blocked the bill, we passed it in the Senate. "President blocked it."
:41 Kerry's on a roll on this Canadian drug issue. Nice. "I'm fighting for Medicare to survive."
:42 Bush: Clinton did it too!
:45 Bush: National Journal says Kerry is the most liberal senator. He's gonna tax everyone here.
:47 Bush: "That's what liberals do. They create government funded health care." DAMN STRAIGHT WE'RE GONNA DO IT!
:48 Kerry: "Compassionate conservatism? What does that mean? .. Mr. President, you're batting 0 for 2!"
:48 They are full on arguing with each other. This is a GREAT DEBATE.
:50 In the span of 30 seconds, Bush complained about the recession cutting revenues, about how much the war is costing, and then bragged about cutting taxes. Wow.
:52 Kerry: This is the first time during a war that we've cut taxes.
:53 Kerry keeps pushing the Bush is looking out for the rich, and I'm looking out for you. "Wrong priorities. You're my priority."
:54 Kerry: "Yes, right into the camera. Yes." I will not raise taxes for those making less than $200,000.
:56 Kerry: "Only three people in this room are going to be affected" by Kerry's tax increase. Bush, himself, and Charlie.
:57 Bush: Kerry's gonna break his promise. He's gonna raise your taxes.
:58 Bush: Kerry's got a record. "You can run but you cannot hide."
:59 Question for Bush on the environment.
:60 Bush brought up the "Clear Skies" initiative. Kerry's is practically gigling with delight waiting to respond. Now he brought up "Health Forests!"
:61 Bush: "I'm a good steward of the land."
:62 Kerry: "On the environment, this is one of the worst administrations in modern history." He used "orwellian"!
:63 Kerry: "I'm gonna be the president that believes in science."
:63 Bush: "The quality of the air is better since I've been President of the United States."
:64 Question: How can we be competitive in manufacturing jobs when our cost of living is so high?
:66 Kerry: "I have a plan for energy independence in 10 years."
:69 Bush: "I own a timber company? ... Want some wood?" Chuckles from the audience (and Kerry)
:70 Civil liberties question.
:70 Bush: "Every action prevents terrorism." "I don't think the PATRIOT Act abridges your rights at all."
:72 Kerry: They've got people that can go into churches and political meetings with no justification. "I believe in the PATRIOT Act ... but we need to make sure the terrorists don't change the Constitution."
:73 Stem cell question.
:75 Kerry: We can do ethical embryonic stem cell research. "I think it is respecting life to reach for that cure."
:76 Bush: "Embryonic stem cell research requires the destruction of life. ... I think we gotta be very careful to balance the science and the ethics. ... To destroy life to save life is one of the real ethical dilemmas we face." As much as I hate it, he's got a really strong answer here.
:77 Kerry: "Talk about walking a waffle line."
:78 Bush is for preserving the possibility of life, but has no problem lying to destroy actual lives.
:80 Now that we've been in domestic issues, Bush has toned down the yelling and defensive posture masquerading as offense ... nowhere near as unhinged as he was earlier.
:82 Kerry brought up that the Supreme Court will be affected by this election.
:83 Kerry on abortion as a Catholic: "I can't take what is an article of faith for me, and legislate it." YES!
:86 Bush: I want to protect life in this country. "Culture of life is really important for a country to have." Tell that to 13,000 dead Iraqi civilians!
:88 Great final question: Have you made any wrong decisions?
:88 Bush: I didn't make a mistake going into Iraq. The report confirmed that.
:90 Kerry: "I believe the president made a huge mistake. A catastrophic mistake."
:91 Kerry: "Gut check time. Was this really going to war as a last resort?"
:92 Bush repeated the "I did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" yet again.
:92 Kerry: "I didn't want to give a slush fund to Halliburton."
:95 There's a woman with a huge scowl on her face right behind Bush's head.
:96 Bush: "We're at war."
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