From Jim Gilliam's blog archives
Don't vote for Berryhill, he had a heart transplant

May 18, 2006 9:09 PM

The actual platform of Bill Conrad in the Republican primary for California state assembly. I kid not.

This is so beyond evil, it actually begs the question of whether this was put out by the Berryhill campaign in a brilliantly twisted attempt to make Conrad look utterly heartless.

Oh wait, it's the Republican primary. Never mind.

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Read the 41 comments.

Right Wing Robby:

Bill needs to lose that primary in a loud and obscene manner.

Fri May 19 2006 8:49 AM


Right Wing Robby:

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073

More news about the country which liberals here are sticking up for.

Mike of the North representing liberals across the country says:

Heres another thing to ponder. Iran gets a nuke.. big F'n deal!!!

Fri May 19 2006 8:57 AM


Mike of the Great Whtie North:

-your posting in the wrong topic area but ill address your concerns here. i can only assume you either made an honest mistake, or purposfully posted here so no one could scroll down and see my points of contention that you are assailing.

While i cannot defend Iran's ridiculous dress code policy (which would never pass if Irans moderates hadn't been shoved to the side ever since Bush's moronic Axis of Evil speech).. but i digress. Im not here to defend that policy.

What i will defend is my previous statement that Robby seems to find so offensive. If Iran got a nuke, it's no big deal! Why is Robby so horrified about it? Look at the facts...

1.During the Cold War, the preeminant threat of our time, with almost 60000 total nukes in play, we were not treated to the hysteria this administration places on Iran.

2.Iran is being threatened by enemies on all sides (US, Israel, Iraq). They need the bomb for protection, and they have learned that lesson well, as i predicted previously. By attacking Iraq over BS, they learned that if you dont have the bomb, you get invaded. I dont see any mobilization against N.Korea for invasion.

3.They have seen the hypocrisy of the nuclear club states. The NPT which both the US and Iran signed on to state that nonnuke countries get to enrich uranium to 3% for peaceful power generation to which Iran has a right to. The US's part of the deal is to dismantle and draw down its stockpile, which it has not done and is bringing in a new generation of nukes into play. Couple this with a Nuke state threatening to use NUKES on a nonnuke state, and your just begging the rest of the third world countries to proliferate and get the bomb to keep the mighty hypocritical US gorrilla off their back.

4. The US coddles Israel, which never signed the NPT, developed nukes in secret and is a big reason why the area is in such strife. The US coddled Pakistan considering one of their scientists helped get nuke plans out on the black market! The US has signed a sweet deal with India, which also developed nukes covertly. It seems like the US enjoys dealing with countries that proliferate and break the international rules. But Iran... well them crazy mullahs are just crazy eh.

5. MAD. Iran would be that, considering they would be assured mutual destruction by ever lobbing a nuke at Israel, like 200 confirmed nukes right back.

6. Rhetoric. Iran's boasting of wiping Israel off the map is all bark, no bite. It rallies the base much the same way W uses godly talk to mobilize his looney evangelical base. Its all bluster and tough talk. But if your really conserned about Israeli interests(read not U.S. interest) consider the following. North Korea has missiles that can reach Hawaii and possibly the west coast as far down as California. He can also vaporise S.Korea and all your troops stationed there. So when he talks a big game... why are you only negotiating with him. When gererals within the Chinese military are actively and openly talking of warring with the US and will goad you into one over the status of Taiwan, where is the same outrage and media coverage. Where is your righteous indignation over these countries?

See, here i've gone and written another freakin essay.. and why? Why is it always thinking people who have to write out these factual diatribes.. and for what? Now that i think about it, i wrote all this out because RWR tried to make every comment i made in a previous post null and void by calling me a liberal. i mean LOOK AT IT. he's saying, 'Mikes a liberal, so his arguments are crap'. He didn't bother to rebutt one single f'n point of mine, he just threw the whole baby out with the bathwater with the liberal remark, which i find humurous seeing as how im considered more center right by my friends then anything left. Im just really tired of having to re-vent all my points because someone isn't bright enough to actually have a dialogue over points of contention.

In closing, you contend that Mad Mullahs shouldn't get the bomb because they will unleash hell with weapons they do not currently have. I counter that the real Mad Mullahs occupy the White House, and are threatening to unleash nukes pre-emptively under BS motives on a nonnuke country with no evidence in hand. And if that happens, hell will indeed be visited upon us. I aim to do anything in my power to avoid that.

Fri May 19 2006 10:51 AM


Mike of the Great White North:

Ahh, found it. It's in here, my previous post.

Trackback
http://www.jimgilliam.com/2006/04/iran_is_really_all_about_iraq.php

Fri May 19 2006 12:10 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

And now ill post about this 'heartless' incident.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that this kind of stupidity came from the wacky right. This is what they've been doing for so long, it's all they got in their bag of tricks.

It is also not so far removed from Ann Coulter attacking Max Cleland's war record (still hoping this bitch dies). Or Rush taking the moral high ground on drug use, etc... etc.

But hey, this is actually a good thing. The more of these stupid people keep saying these stupid things will just continue to show the true character and colours of this party.

It's time for real Republicans and true Conservatives to take back the party from these wackos and neocon freaks who have hijacked the party. Wingnuts take note... the board is set, the pieces are moving!

Fri May 19 2006 12:23 PM


Tom from Madison:

Mike makes a critical point. Simply calling somebody a "Liberal" is a pathetic sustitute for reasoned debate on public policy.

Our founding fathers intended for citizens to be an informed public and to have a representative government with HONEST DEBATE about what is best for the people. They were RATIONALISTS.

Bush's fear-mongering, loyalty-based, debate-stifling is exactly what we don't need. Public policy has taken a nose-dive during the Bush years because of the squelching of public discourse.

This President has repeatedly hatched scheme after scheme and presented a single option as our only option. This model is a recipe for becoming a banana republic. As Americans we must strive to do better. Diversity of opinion makes us stronger.

Fri May 19 2006 12:35 PM


Right Wing Robby:

Anyone who needs that many words to defend against one sentence is obviously full of SH@T.

Sat May 20 2006 10:55 AM


Mike of the Great White North:

(note once again the lack of any rebuttal to my points. tsk tsk...quite pathetic really)

Queeny, you are the most ignorant little ####'s i've ever had the pleasure of non-debating. Please continue to let your stupidity show for everyone to see, wacko.

Sat May 20 2006 2:12 PM


Tom from Madison:

Anyone who relies on profanity to defend himself is too proud to admit he's wrong and too proud to shut up.

Sat May 20 2006 4:14 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

Indeed. And apparently the story he was linking to is turning out to be so much BS like everything else that comes out of a wingnuts mouth.

Jewish MP denies Iran badge plan
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,19196947%255E1702,00.html

Upon further investigation into the matter, the original info came from Iranian 'exiles', no doubt similar to our friend Chalabi.

Oh btw Robby, whats the presidents approval rating at today? I didn't bother to check but i remember you were so fond of posting poll #'s and ratings #'s on this site. Help a brother out :)

Sun May 21 2006 12:07 AM


Right Wing Robby:

Enjoy your poll numbers. Ill enjoy control of every branch of US government under control of my party.

Have a nice day.

Sun May 21 2006 9:44 AM


Tom from Madison:

RWR:

thanks for the honesty. The Republican party today is all about command and control. It's not sustainable unless you're planning to further suspend civil rights and legitimate elections.

Americans have steadily come to the realization that they have been lied to. I'm looking forward to the 2006 elections. Bush will go down as the worst president in US History. There will be no resurection of approval for the president or his supporters. Impeachment will be the first order of the day once the new House of Representatives is seated.

Sun May 21 2006 4:00 PM


John Mello:

Check out the blog on Tom Berryhill, the heart transplant kid:

http://tomberryhillsucks.blogspot.com/

Sun May 21 2006 4:05 PM


NJGuardsman:

I consider this to be in bad taste, I find this to be wrong, I’m sure a candidate can find a way to show his opponent’s shortcomings without resorting to something like this (no matter how true it is).

Now to statements made by Mike & Tom:

“During the Cold War, the preeminent threat of our time, with almost 60000 total nukes in play, we were not treated to the hysteria this administration places on Iran.”
- During the Cold War we knew our enemy, we spent 50+ years researching and studying the USSR (the devil we know is better then the devil we don’t know), Why is Iran so hell bent on nuke power to begin with??? Don’t they have more oil then God????
- When someone says that they are going to “wipe you from the face of the earth” ****IT UP AND TAKE NOTICE**** how long did Churchill warn the world about Hitler and people blew him off the rest (as they say) is history.

“Iran is being threatened by enemies on all sides (US, Israel, Iraq).” – Sorry Mike it’s like this: Israel is constantly being threatened by enemies on all sides (Syria, Jordan, Egypt)

“The US's part of the deal is to dismantle and draw down its stockpile, which it has not done and is bringing in a new generation of nukes into play. – How can you write this when you know that we are destroying B52’s (the tactical nuke delivery system) in the Arizona desert and have to wait for a Russian satellite take a picture or we’ve spent BIG $$$$$ digging a cave in some salt mountain in the middle of Nevada so we dismantle ICBMS and deposit the war heads there.

“Rhetoric. Iran's boasting of wiping Israel off the map is all bark, no bite. It rallies the base…Its all bluster and tough talk.” – I said the same thing back when all the NK stuff came out and you guys paid no attention, so why is it so right now with Iran but so wrong when I wrote about NK then (give me some time and I’ll probably find it). Oh I agree with you about China I agree it’s an ever developing threat! Are you saying that the administration is IGNORING China?

“Anyone who relies on profanity to defend himself is too proud to admit he's wrong and too proud to shut up.” – Tom (pot calling the kettle…) look at Mikes comments about Ann Coulter “It is also not so far removed from Ann Coulter attacking Max Cleland's war record (still hoping this bitch dies). Or Rush taking the moral high ground on drug use, etc... etc.” it seems hypocritical to me that you berate RWR for the same thing Mike did and you don’t call him on it. I cant stand Michael Moore pond scum is better then he is BUT I challenge you to find where I’ve written anything along the lines of wanting him dead or anyone I’m at odds with politically.
Calling some one a liberal is VASTLY different then wishing death on someone.
On a similar note doesn’t it burn you to see a congress woman have an… altercation with a capitol cop and be in some sort of legal trouble BUT Pat Kennedy (Ted’s boy) who almost could have killed someone including himself and he gets a pass?!?!?!?

Tom, I agree with you on honest debate, for a strong republic it’s required. The problem exists when such debate emboldens our enemies therefore endangering my fellow military members I repeat in this time of war it is crucial, essential, LIFE SAVING that we present a united front – that the enemy realizes that? It is to the determent of those in harms way that people like Murtha and Durbin say the things they do and the press is only too willing to shout it from the highest hill. Freedom of speech abused in this way can kill just like yelling fire in a crowded theater there is no difference, these types of… debates (I use the term loosely) should be more private. The enemy IS listening and using our disagreements against our soldiers.

I am not leaving the Republican Party the Republican Party is leaving me especially now with this illegal immigration/amnesty/path to citizenship BRAVO SIERRA (BS). Bush better find where he left his N__ Sack and go get it! The Republican party is tearing itself apart because they are trying to out Democrat the Democrats and if they continue on this course they will lose elections and have no one to blame but themselves, they are currently suffering from “White Guilt”

Mr. Gilliam I request you open a blog on the current immigration issue.

Also Mr. Gilliam I remember you running a blog with a picture of flag draped caskets and reading a comment you made saying in effect other people use this picture for political gain so I can, I am disappointed in you, I thought you were different I thought you were better. It is in my opinion obscene disrespectful and morally reprehensible that this picture would be used in this manner. Mr. Gilliam why didn’t you go against the grain and give our fallen servicemen the dignity they deserve just because everyone else did it you didn’t have to. It doesn’t matter which side does it, it’s wrong and I feel you were wrong in doing it also you could have gotten your point across with out it (and you know it which makes it worse) now I feel I have to lump you with a rag like the Village Voice or scum like the ACLU.

I know it means nothing to you but you are diminished in my opinion (such as it is, such as I am).

Rant over

Wed May 24 2006 5:16 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

That was some of the more reasoned debatingesque i was looking for. Im too tired to diatribe any of your major points tonight NJ, but i will say this. At least you spelled it out succintly and i can respect that in itself.

My ripping into RWR should be self evident. So give yourself a pat on the back for not being like RWR, in this case anyway.

And in closing... I will stand by my Coulter comment. She's a closet Hitler, and if she had any real power, she'd do what she says. So whats good for Hitler is good for her. Nuff said.

Wed May 24 2006 10:09 PM


Tom from Madison:

NJ:

your self-serving statements regarding "emboldening the enemy" are antithetical to democracy. Democracy requires debate. The person to blame for loss of life is the commander in chief who needlessly sent American troops into battle and compounded his mistakes by abysmal planning and an obstinate refusal to listen to reason.

One President's creation of a boogie man does not create a legitimate threat. Americans have realized for some time that Bush's War on Terror is hype-fueled propaganda to justify his pre-determined wish for war in Iraq. Does anyone take seriously the terror color level now?

We have a President who has repeatedly resorted to fear mongering in order to push his own agenda. That's un-American and wrong. The idea that we need to get onboard with Bush to present a "united front "is a bigger threat to the US than Osama Bin Laden could ever be.

I continue to say we should oppose terror and promote peace rationally. We don't need a war on anyone or anything to do it.

Fri May 26 2006 12:55 PM


NJGuardsman:

Tom

There is nothing “self-serving” about what I wrote! Because you don’t like what I wrote does not make me selfish.

You continue to live in a fantasy land where everyone lives in peace and harmony where milk and honey flow freely to everyone – sorry to burst your bubble.

Your last blog is naïve at best and deadly/dangerous at most! The person to blame for loss of live is/are the terrorist leaders and those nations that are their facilitators! There is no “boogieman” there is a very real threat one that is painfully evident to me every time I pass by GROUND HERO (made up my A$$).

Lets see how many more defense secrets will be “leaked”! Lets see how many more members of the press lack the integrity and publish those same secrets.

Your own side uses action to advance their agenda, to achieve there goals because words alone just don’t do it. Tell you what please go to Iraq go down the street that connects Baghdad with the airport (the most dangerous street in the world) and… talk to them, give them flowers, feel their pain while I and those like me show the terrorist that THEIR actions have repercussions.

I concede this: a combination of both is needed but words only work with the weight of action behind them.

You and people like you at this time constitute a threat to this country’s security just as much as China, N. Korea, the U. N. and any terrorist organization out there.

Thanks to true Patriots like: the Patriot Guard, The Minute Men and The Swift Boat Vets there is still hope.

Fri May 26 2006 2:41 PM


NJGuardsman:

Tom

There is nothing “self-serving” about what I wrote! Because you don’t like what I wrote does not make me selfish.

You continue to live in a fantasy land where everyone lives in peace and harmony where milk and honey flow freely to everyone – sorry to burst your bubble.

Your last blog is naïve at best and deadly/dangerous at most! The person to blame for loss of live is/are the terrorist leaders and those nations that are their facilitators! There is no “boogieman” there is a very real threat one that is painfully evident to me every time I pass by GROUND HERO (made up my A$$).

Lets see how many more defense secrets will be “leaked”! Lets see how many more members of the press lack the integrity and publish those same secrets.

Your own side uses action to advance their agenda, to achieve there goals because words alone just don’t do it. Tell you what please go to Iraq go down the street that connects Baghdad with the airport (the most dangerous street in the world) and… talk to them, give them flowers, feel their pain while I and those like me show the terrorist that THEIR actions have repercussions.

I concede this: a combination of both is needed but words only work with the weight of action behind them.

You and people like you at this time constitute a threat to this country’s security just as much as China, N. Korea, the U. N. and any terrorist organization out there.

Thanks to true Patriots like: the Patriot Guard, The Minute Men and The Swift Boat Vets there is still hope.

Fri May 26 2006 2:41 PM


Tom from Madison:

NJ:

you miss many obvious points. The world is a much more dangerous place today than it was when Bush took office. America is in a more vulnerable place than we were when Bush took office. We have far fewer friends in the world. Allies no longer trust us. They can't afford to.

Bush alternately claims to be hunting down Osama Bin Laden, then suggests he's not that important. If we were truly in as much danger as you claim, we would need to raise taxes and start drafting people to protect ourselves. Obviously we aren't in that kind of danger.

G W Bush has created the most dangerous street in the world in Baghdad. Iraqis and most Americans agree this hasn't been a productive exercise. But give W credit. So far he's fooled 30% of the people ALL THE TIME! That makes him the greatest fraud of all the US Presidents! By the way the culture of corruption leads right to W. Ken Lay was one of W's biggest campaign contributors in 1999. Look it up.

Fri May 26 2006 4:28 PM


NJGuardsman:

Again you place blame on the wrong person. Until you can show me the contract signed by Bush & OBL (the alliance made in hell) you have no case! You want to talk about a culture of corruption here you go I did you a favor, you don’t have to |"look it up" http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

How about a culture of privilege where members of Congress get away with assaulting capitol policemen and nothing happens to them how about members of congress who have powerful fathers in the senate abusing that power and saving there congressman son from legal action, how about congress member(s) commandeering military personnel and equipment during a national emergency to retrieve personal belongings and “contributions” he was keeping safe in his freezer.

I didn’t want to believe it, but it is true, all you want to do is feel good - to have a big warm and fuzzy, you don’t care what you do works or doesn’t, who you do or don’t destroy who’s life you ruin, who’s life you waste!

Yeah Bush’s polls are at 30%, ½ his fault ½ the left and their willing lap dog the press. Credit goes to the undermining by the press about the war, traitorous propaganda by those who only seek power and don’t care what happens to this country, in fact a second 911 would do you all good tight about now wouldn’t it? Please let me know when he announces for 2008

Fri May 26 2006 10:37 PM


Dave E.:

"Please let me know when he announces for 2008"

You wear a pointy hat and sit facing a corner all day, don't you. Take a glance at the 22nd amendment to the US Constitution squirt.


Seriously, I usually don't comment on most of the really bizarre, paranoid, wingnutty things you say, but sometimes you really hit one out of the park and I can't help to.

Sat May 27 2006 2:48 AM


NJGuardsman:

Dave

You REALLY lack gray matter between you your ears don’t you! I don’t need to be lectured on the constitution least of all from someone like you EVER!

Sat May 27 2006 11:09 AM


Tom from Madison:

All our neo-con brethren need a lesson in constitutional law as well as reality. These self-appointed uber-patriots claim to know what's best for the America. What they are delivering is disaster. Endless feel-good war fought with the aid of corrupt contractors is at once stupid, wrong, and un-American.

We don't need creeps like Alberto Gonzalez looking for ways to justify torture and domestic surveillance. Simultaneously these subversives are seeking extraordinary power for the executive branch, but only so long as their guys are in.

Throw in a dose of extreme fundamentalist Christianty and you have a theocracy. This is where W is leading us. No wonder so few people support it. Military support is fast eroding as well.

Bush and the Saudi Royals have all benefited from the distruption of world-wide oil supplies. They'd like to fix things so that the only way the world supply of oil goes up is if they personally get a share of it.

Even with the world's most powerful military we're supposed to believe that Osama Bin Laden can't be apprehended? Unless you're so afraid that you've lost your sense, nothing can justify the loss of lives, dollars, and world peace this President has cost America and the World.

Sat May 27 2006 12:15 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

Quotes & Rebuttals

"Why is Iran so hell bent on nuke power to begin with??? Don’t they have more oil then God????"
-who the )(*& are you to tell Iran what they have to do regarding economics. What is Iran's #1 (and virtually only export? OIL. Why would they use up a resource that they sell? And as long as every country has the inalienable RIGHT to produce nuke power for peaceful energy production, under the guidelines of the NPT and strict watches under IAEA safeguards, it really is none of your PO&I)ing business to tell them. What are you going to say next? Why not just dump every piece of garbage, waste, filth, radioactive, toxic thing we've every created into the ocean because hey, the planets got more 'water than GOD'.

"When someone says that they are going to “wipe you from the face of the earth” ****IT UP AND TAKE NOTICE****"
-right, Iran has been hearing about the nuclear option being on the table for sometime now. And after Iraq, i guarantee they've taken notice. I'd want a bomb too to keep your belligerence in check. North Korea proved my point (which i argued with you many years ago, if you want me to dig up the link, let me know)

"Sorry Mike it’s like this: Israel is constantly being threatened by enemies on all sides (Syria, Jordan, Egypt"
-what (*&^ing year are you living in neoboy? Jordan? Egypt? Last i checked both recognize Israels right to exist and both actively work with the Israeli gov't. Syria, understandably does not, and i don't blame her, with Israel still laying claim to the Golan, and with all the BS talk from neotards about Saddams wmd moved over there and so forth (a claim im still laughing about). And Syria vs. Israel, militarily speaking, is as capable as Saddams Iraq vs. the US in 2003 respectfully. There is NO threat. Israel is the belligerent. They call the shots in congress through AIPAC. They're the ones along with their PNAC brethren who helped plan for Iraq years before 9-11. And they're at it again with disinformation about Iran, with their latest propaganda about bomb capability in months, and Nazi style clothing requirements to bring about images of another holocaust. Please tell me your not stupid enough not to see these things as they happen before your eyes...

"How can you write this when you know that we are destroying B52’s (the tactical nuke delivery system)"
-you've got to be *&*&ing joking right? you really aren't that dense are you? i wasn't talking about planes... i was talking about NUKES! They can be delivered other ways you know? You’re pulling Rumsfeldian style lying right in front of everyone! Are you really even in the forces? Your knowledge about such things seems suspect.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-nuke6apr06,0,5989419.story?coll=la-home-headlines
http://www.slate.com/id/2099425/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2780521.stm

Oh and for you 'dismantling planes' BS..
"...A total of 744 B-52 Stratofortress models were built, and 93 examples of the B-52H remained in service by 2004. Having already long outlived two attempts at replacement, it is anticipated that upgrades will keep the B-52 fleet operational until at least 2020."
(bottom of the page, above b-52H specs)
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/bomber/b52/

"I said the same thing back when all the NK stuff came out and you guys paid no attention.."
-And compare now your rhetoric from then and now. You've seen N.K. declare they've had the bomb for over a year now. Tell me NJ.. why haven't US troops in S.K. been vaporized yet? Why aren't N.Korean nukes falling from the sky on the US west coast? I really wanna hear your answer, because whatever rationale you come up with, can you honestly sit back and not apply the same rationale to Iran? why the hysteria. If N.K. hasn't used their bomb, why would Iran? It's a defensive, pure n simple. Only neocon blowhards and you apparently want to make people believe that Iran wants to 'suicide' itself for one shot at Israel. Grow a brain.

"I cant stand Michael Moore pond scum is better then he is BUT..."
-BUT Moore didn't advocate invading other countries and killing their leaders and mass conversions to Christianity either. So i still dont have an issue with hoping Coulter gets hers someday.

"I repeat in this time of war it is crucial, essential, LIFE SAVING that we present a united front "
-i dont care how much this may 'offend' or disgust you but im well aware that the German people presented a united front, in the face of unwarranted preempted military aggression, and the blind subservience that allowed them to filter their news so that at the end of the day, many germans could rightly make the claim when learning of the holocaust 'that could not have happened. i heard no such thing!'. Blind united fronts pave the way for atrocity. I do not care how righteous or noble you believe the military establishment to be. It is against the ideals of a republic to have a standing army, it lays the groundwork for tyranny. And people like you who believe they are so righteous and noble in their cause, and begin to believe you are better than those civilians you are sworn to protect, are a real and gathering threat. Greater than anything OBL could do.

"Credit goes to the undermining by the press about the war, traitorous propaganda.. "
-when daily occurrences, facts, and administration mistakes are now termed traitorous propaganda, there is no more hope for a free press, or the first amendment. It's only too bad that the balls the press has grown in the last few months weren't there in 2003, when this travesty could have been stopped cold by asking real questions instead of being 'lapdogs' back then.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/05/04/lapdogs/index_np.html

"in fact a second 911 would do you all good tight about now wouldn’t it?"
-oh i love this argument. There’s only 2 options here to choose from. Win-win for nonthinkers. goes like this.
1. A second 9-11 happens. "It's the damn democratic, liberal press, pinko commie socialist, homosexual, ACLU's fault. We must rally around our republican president because dems are weak on national security, see see! Give Bush a lifetime term of office!"
OR
2. No new 9-11 occurs. "No new attacks occurred because we had a strong republican president in office. If we had dems, we would have been hit for sure. Vote Bush/Cheney08!"

Sat May 27 2006 6:08 PM


Dave E.:


Anyone been reading about the news now surfacing about the Haditha massacre from last November? The stories coming out are DEEPLY disturbing.

This is when things start to get really really ugly:

"The incident is now being described as potentially the worst war crime since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, comparable to the Abu Ghraib scandal and reminiscent of the massacre of several hundred Vietnamese villagers at My Lai in 1968. But peace campaigners say the findings raise the prospect that other incidents reported to have involved the killing of "insurgents" actually involved the death of civilians.

Andrew Murray, chair of the Stop the War Coalition, said: "It's clear that what happened in Haditha is a war crime. It would be idle to think this is the first war crime that has been committed in the last three years. It must be assumed that more of this is going on."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article620720.ece

and from WaPo, the most upsetting read which recounts the events:

"The 24 Iraqi civilians killed on Nov. 19 included children and the women who were trying to shield them, witnesses told a Washington Post special correspondent in Haditha this week and U.S. investigators said in Washington. The girls killed inside Khafif's house were ages 14, 10, 5, 3 and 1, according to death certificates.

[...]

The Marines moved to the house next door, Fahmi said.

Inside were 43-year-old Khafif, 41-year-old Aeda Yasin Ahmed, an 8-year-old son, five young daughters and a 1-year-old girl staying with the family, according to death certificates and neighbors.

The Marines shot them at close range and hurled grenades into the kitchen and bathroom, survivors and neighbors said later. Khafif's pleas could be heard across the neighborhood. Four of the girls died screaming."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/26/AR2006052602069_2.html

Children. Little girls and boys. From 1 year old on up. I don't want to hear any fog of war bullshit either. Our soldiers have reached the breaking point, and the Bush administration is front and center in the blame game for these war crimes.

This is what happens when you put humans, American soldiers, not fetishized idols of virtue and courage, but humans, in stressful, untenable and seemingly unending situations.

Untenable. From the very second we invaded.

Just how many other Haditha's have there been in the past 3 years, but just covered up? I agree with Mike -- ranting and raving for united fronts and lockstep groupthink are what excuse these war crimes. It's a deep deep psychosis this nation has been mired in, and the harsh and wicked reality of what hell America has wrought in Iraq is really becoming evident.

This is no war on terror. This is a war of terror. This is what happens when you put neoconservative ideological freaks at the steering wheel. Read the kind of shit NJ writes about more than half of America and its press as being de facto terrorists. This is crazy talk. This is what reasonable people have been mired in for the past 5 years.

Even though it's already too late, November 2006 can't come soon enough.

(Sorry for the thread hijack, but it seemed pretty hopelessly lost anyway...)

Sat May 27 2006 10:33 PM


Dave E.:

Considering my above post, and now to quote resident wingnut NJ, who has clearly lost his marbles:

"Tell you what please go to Iraq go down the street that connects Baghdad with the airport (the most dangerous street in the world) and… talk to them, give them flowers, feel their pain while I and those like me show the terrorist that THEIR actions have repercussions."

I guess the Haditha massacre is what he means by "repurcussions". Dead children and civilians. Families wiped out, all in the name of vengeance.

Indeed, vengeance is what he basically cites as motivation, not justice (I'm paraphrasing, but I think accurately). If he had a scintilla of reason, he would think critically about international relations and soon realize that it is exactly vengeance which caused 9/11.

We are exacerbating and perpetuating it, not working realistically to solve it.

More NJ: "You and people like you at this time constitute a threat to this country’s security just as much as China, N. Korea, the U. N. and any terrorist organization out there."

I mean, wow. Kinda speaks for itself.

Radical opinions openly hostile toward other Americans. Millions of Americans, in fact. A majority finally. Thinking people, demonized. 1930's Germany indeed.

Sat May 27 2006 11:03 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

In NJ's world, exposing an atrocity like this is 'emboldening the enemy'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2200170,00.html

In his world, the public doesn't have a right to know this. It's all just milk & cookies and roses in Iraq (if you listen to FAUX).

I don't want to live in that world. EVER.

Sun May 28 2006 3:45 AM


Mike of the Great White North:

Just wanted to touch on something meaningful Tom said recently:
"Simultaneously these subversives are seeking extraordinary power for the executive branch, but only so long as their guys are in."

I would suggest, flip the coin for a moment and ask wingers to picture a Democratic president in 08 (ask them to suspend disbelief, as wingers believe repubs will have the white house till the end of time)

Imagine:
-Illigal wiretapping on Focus on the Family, evangelical churches because they may be suspected of using terrorism (bombing abortion clinics)
-having pro life protesters 'protest' in specially disgnated 'protest zones' at least 1 mile away from the target clinic.
-having FOX news reporters targeted with wiretaps for possible leaks regarding national security issues because they always dig shit up
-having a democrat president write 750+ signing statements to circumvent bills signed into law
-have traitorous and treasonous talk by the likes of Coulter and Malkin and Limbaugh be treated as traitors during a time of war (remember, the war on terror never ends)
etc... etc.. etc...

You'd bitch and you know it. So go screw yourself with the united front BS.

Sun May 28 2006 4:02 AM


NJGuardsman:

“creeps like Alberto Gonzalez” Tom, do you have a law degree?

Again unless you tapped the hotline (if there even is one) to the Soudis all you have are accusations and you can accuse all you want it doesn’t make it true.

“Bush and the Saudi Royals have all benefited from the disruption of world-wide oil supplies.” Really?!?! You mean we can control the weather?!?!? –OR- can the Saudis?!?!?

“Throw in a dose of extreme fundamentalist Christianity and you have a theocracy.” – if you mean helping those that are poor that fall through the cracks, then yes I support a theocracy, now if W would go on TV and say something along the lines of “God told me to invade Iraq” then yes I agree with you –but he’s not he hasn’t and he will not BECAUSE he’s not a religious fanatic. (Those psychos want nukes).

“Even with the world's most powerful military we're supposed to believe that Osama Bin Laden can't be apprehended?” Question – How long did it take to catch the Unabomber? Question – How long did it take to catch Eric Robert Rudolph (Olympic/abortion bomber) AND THEY WERE HERE ON OUR OWN SOIL!!!!! Please by all means if you can do a better job go for it I’ll be first in line shaking your hand and saying you deserve the 25MIL!

“who the )(*& are you to tell Iran what they have to do regarding economics. What is Iran's #1 (and virtually only export? OIL. Why would they use up a resource that they sell?” 1 – I am a person asking a question, shouldn’t they maximize its use domestically for Iran’s people?!?! and they can still sell it, it’s not like they’re going to run out of it in my lifetime at least. We have coal we should use it to offset our current energy shortage but because of environmentalist Nazis we are in the mess we’re in now! We can’t develop nuclear power, we can’t put windmills off of Martha’s Vineyard, we can’t drill for oil in Alaska oh but Bush is Satan.

As for Iran and N.K. sure let another psycho have a bomb why not, while you’re at it give one to Cuba.

Israel – the new USSR nuff said!

“you've got to be *&*&ing joking right? you really aren't that dense are you? i wasn't talking about planes... i was talking about NUKES! They can be delivered other ways you know?” I see you didn’t say anything about the mountain in Nevada we hollowed out just for such a purpose.

“A total of 744 B-52 Stratofortress models were built, and 93 examples of the B-52H – yes and they are destroyed, left anole for 3 days for Russian satellites to take pictures all for a certain treaty signed quite some time ago.

“Tell me NJ.. why haven't US troops in S.K. been vaporized yet? – Gee I don’t know
maybe he’s not done playing with himself yet, maybe the voices in his head haven’t said so yet, maybe he feels the time isn’t right yet. Do you want him to attack?? I don’t, in this case I REALLY don’t want to be right.

“If N.K. hasn't used their bomb, why would Iran?” – because Iran IS a Theocracy and they ARE on a MISSION from ALLAH. Tell me something, do you think Iran will keep it’s nuke toy - OR – find its way somewhere somehow oh… lets just say in a suit case, in a truck or on a ship bound for I don’t know maybe San Fran or maybe Miami or for that matter the port of NY, or is that totally out of the realm of possibility for you, any of you???? Sure roll the dice they are called enemies for a reason!

Why is Ann Coulter so wrong but yet when these Islam fascists Yell out “Convert or Die” you’re fine with it? Could it be that she’s turning their rhetoric against them????

Filtered news, FILTERED NEWS are you kidding me?!?!?!? Turn on CNN and tell me ONE GOOD story from Iraq or Bush, go read the NYT and tell me something positive about the soldiers in Iraq If anyone should complain about filtered news it should be me! Actually it’s those like you who want to shut down Fox, conservative talk radio and people like Drudge (ever heard of the fairness doctrine). Question – Who’s filtering YOUR news!!!! Oh yeah the people have a right to know everything right now no national secrets – to hell with national security, plans for the F22 sell em on EBAY, come on in the USA is an open house.

“Credit goes to the undermining by the press about the war, traitorous propaganda..” – not traitorous nor propaganda.

“in fact a second 911 would do you all good tight about now wouldn’t it?" – YES because you could give a BIG FAT I TOLD YOU SO to the American people then all the dominos would tumble wouldn’t they Patriot act, Terrorist Suvailence etc etc. oh what’s the line you people use “it’s not a question of if but when” yeah that’s it

“dems are weak on national security” we agree, yes they are!!!

“The incident is now being described as potentially the worst war crime since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, comparable to the Abu Ghraib scandal and reminiscent of the massacre of several hundred Vietnamese villagers at My Lai in 1968. But peace campaigners say the findings raise the prospect that other incidents reported to have involved the killing of "insurgents" actually involved the death of civilians.”

POINT BLANK if these marines did this then they deserve the consequences if its death then so be it but before Murtha shoots his mouth off don’t you think they should have their day in court??? Shouldn’t both sides gather evidence??? Maybe they are guilty but shouldn’t that be proven first????? If they are I join you in condemning them!
But compared to Abu Ghraib???? You are actually comparing woman’s undies on a prisoner’s face to actually getting shot c’mon get real.

Ask Kerry about Vietnam he is the only military member I know of that actually admitted to atrocities committed in Vietnam and no one’s done a thing will you join me in condemning him and calling for an investigation?!?!? Any takers?!?!?!?

I hope between rants today you’ve thought about those who have made the ultimate sacrifice so the you could shit on America as much and as often as possible!

You'd bitch and you know it. So go screw yourself with the united front BS. Tom are you calling me out?!?! is that what this has come to?!?!?

If you're referring to going to Iraq - I'm scared shitless of going but I will can you say the same?



Tue May 30 2006 12:43 AM


Tom from Madison:

NJ:

you don't need a law degree to know civil and human rights violations when you see them.

Your apologies for the Bush administration are pathetic. There are documented cases of torture, rape, and murder at detainment centers. We have a network of "secret "prisons. And we have an administration arguing IN COURT that all of the US is to be considered a battleground. Therefore civil rights must be suspended.

This President and his whole lunatic administration need to go. Human rights are universal. Civil rights are not to be surrendered unilaterally. Bush is doing both.

We badly need a President who will argue for the rule of law, not for exceptions to it.

A true patriot wouldn't be defending these abuses. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Tue May 30 2006 5:58 PM


Tom from Madison:

To NJ and other Bush loyalists:

Read and learn what the Cato Institute has to say about Bush's abuse of the US Constitution:

"In recent judicial confirmation battles, President
Bush has repeatedly—and correctly—stressed fidelity
to the Constitution as the key qualification for
service as a judge. It is also the key qualification for
service as the nation’s chief executive. On January
20, 2005, for the second time, Mr. Bush took the
presidential oath of office set out in the Constitution,
swearing to “preserve, protect and defend
the Constitution of the United States.” With five
years of the Bush administration behind us, we
have more than enough evidence to make an assessment
about the president’s commitment to our
fundamental legal charter.
Unfortunately, far from defending the Constitution,
President Bush has repeatedly sought to
strip out the limits the document places on federal
power. In its official legal briefs and public actions,
the Bush administration has advanced a view of
federal power that is astonishingly broad, a view
that includes
• a federal government empowered to regulate
core political speech—and restrict it
greatly when it counts the most: in the days
before a federal election;
• a president who cannot be restrained,
through validly enacted statutes, from pursuing
any tactic he believes to be effective in
the war on terror;
• a president who has the inherent constitutional
authority to designate American citizens
suspected of terrorist activity as “enemy
combatants,” strip them of any constitutional
protection, and lock them up without
charges for the duration of the war on terror—
in other words, perhaps forever; and
• a federal government with the power to supervise
virtually every aspect of American life,
from kindergarten, to marriage, to the grave.
President Bush’s constitutional vision is, in
short, sharply at odds with the text, history, and
structure of our Constitution, which authorizes
a government of limited powers."

Source: http://cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/powersurge_healy_lynch.pdf

Tue May 30 2006 11:39 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

Question for NJ + Bush worshippers

Are You Too Stupid for Citizenship?
http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=9066

Charli here brings up every point I've ever debated here regarding Iran. And he does it so much more elequently than i ever could.

Thu Jun 1 2006 1:31 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

You know, i know many wingnuts claim the MSM is liberal etc... and always point to foriegn news sources like Britains BBC or Canadas CBC as being something akin to Al-Jazeera. Well let me ask this? Before Haditha, i read quite a few articles regarding another massacre. Never got picked up in the MSM, even the al-jazeera-lite news.

Finally though, it's made it to the press.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5039420.stm

Keep in mind, i read NUMEROUS articles regarding this months back on Antiwar.com. I have a simple question that maybe someone can answer. Why don't news organizations simply go on the internet and check out sites like that or check the blogsphere to find news? Why do events like this take so long to hit the MSM? Are journalists really that bloody lazy now, or is it their corporate masters?

Id really like to hear from anyone regarding this, whats your take, and can it be fixed?

Fri Jun 2 2006 9:29 AM


Mike of the Great White North:

One more quote from NJ

"Actually it’s those like you who want to shut down Fox, conservative talk radio and people like Drudge (ever heard of the fairness doctrine)"

Yes i have. Care to tell me who killed the Fairness Doctrine?
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm

I have no problem with you or fake news outlets like faux peddling their wares, so long as there is ample enough room for the opposing viewpoint to interject with proper facts without:
a)being shouted and screamed at
b)having their mike turned off
c)having someone pose as an opposing viewpoint when its obvious they're faking it.

Mon Jun 5 2006 2:41 PM


NJGuardsman:

OK Tom

So the Cato institute is the be all and end all on President Bush and the Constitution??
No, I think not .

-Alexander Hamilton argued in the Federalist Papers, “is a leading character in the definition of good government. It is essential to the protection of the community against foreign attacks.” And, he continued, “the direction of war most peculiarly demands those qualities which distinguish the exercise of power by a single hand.”

The Constitution does not define a process for war-making. This suggests that the absence of a defined war-making process is an intentional element of constitutional design.

In order to forestall a WMD attack, or to take advantage of a window of opportunity to strike at a terrorist cell, the executive branch needs flexibility to act quickly, possibly in situations where congressional consent cannot be obtained in time to act on the intelligence. By acting earlier, perhaps before WMD components have been fully assembled or before an al-Qaeda operative has left for the United States, the executive branch might also be able to engage in a more limited, more precisely targeted, use of force.

Similarly, the least dangerous way to prevent rogue nations from acquiring weapons of mass destruction may depend on secret intelligence gathering and covert action rather than open military intervention. Delay for a congressional debate could render useless any time-critical intelligence or windows of opportunity.

Fri Jun 9 2006 4:26 PM


Dave E.:

Cut and paste much, do we?

That's a very well written post NJ. You've definitely found your muse rather quickly.

Fri Jun 9 2006 5:39 PM


NJGuardsman:

Well Dave,

Click on my name, it's linked to the article.

Sun Jun 11 2006 5:15 PM


NJGuardsman:

Hello does anyone remember this!?!?!?****Anyone who relies on profanity to defend himself is too proud to admit he's wrong and too proud to shut up.” – Tom (pot calling the kettle…) look at Mikes comments about Ann Coulter “It is also not so far removed from Ann Coulter attacking Max Cleland's war record (still hoping this bitch dies).****

"(T)he passengers were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes." -- Michael Moore on Flight 93

If you are going to hang Ann Coulter about her comments I demand you hold Michael Moore to the same standards for this raciest comment against those heroic people on that plane (not to mention the fact that he insinuates that all blacks are good for is physical violence)!!!

I rescind my comment about using health as a political weapon, I remember democrats using this same tactic to attack Cheney during the 2004 campaign

Sun Jun 11 2006 5:54 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

Sorry NJ, but you're really splitting the lines of reality here.

While Moore's comments are indeed tastless and crass and i will not defend them, the context between the two actors here are quite different. If i may quote directly from your article...
"...Moore's one-man comedy act "Michael Moore - Live!" at the Roundhouse theater in Camden, North London..."

Moore's words were a direct result of his performing a comedy routine, while offensive, still part of the comedy act. This is no different from Dennis Miller or Eddie Murphy saying tasteless things in their acts. Point is, their audience is to understand that it's part of the act.

Now unless you are going to sit there and tell me that Ann Coulter really is just a gasbag clown, then ill drop the argument. The real difference is, Moore's act and tastelessness doesn't follow him off the stage. I dont see Moore in the media saying these exact same things he says during his routine. I do however see Coulter saying the same vile things she always espouses in every arena, whether tv, print, radio, her books, etc... Coulter is Coulter 24-7, the Moore you refer to starts and ends during his act on stage. If you disagree, please point me to him making similar comments offstage. If you'd bother to watch any of his shows or documentaries, you'd see he routinely champions the causes and social concerns of black people, not the other way around.

Look NJ, when you have ringwing blowhards like Tucker Carlson and Bill O'Rielly telling Coulter she's a loon, you know the broad has got problems. And quite frankly, Coulters remarks about the 9-11 widows is no act. She's dead serious about it. And thats why i dont care if she stops breathing.

Nice try though.

Mon Jun 12 2006 11:19 AM


NJGuradsman:

“Anyone who relies on profanity to defend himself is too proud to admit he's wrong and too proud to shut up.” – Tom (pot calling the kettle…) look at Mikes comments about Ann Coulter “It is also not so far removed from Ann Coulter attacking Max Cleland's war record (still hoping this bitch dies). Or Rush taking the moral high ground on drug use, etc... etc.”

– What about calling the troops Nazis?
If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case.” SEN Durbin
Nothing from any of you

What about calling them murderers
"There was no firefight. There was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood," –John Murhta again nothing from any of you

-What about a mother that uses her sons death as a stepping stone to fame? “President Bush is an "evil maniac" who should "sign up his two little party-animal girls" for the war. “Bush is the "biggest terrorist," and is promoting the "cancer of Pax Americana" and "imperialism in the Middle East" with the help of other "war criminals" in the executive branch and Congress.”
Nothing here do you actually expect to be “credible”

How about a fat sack of shit insulting those who cant defend themselves"(T)he passengers were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes." -- Michael Moore on Flight 93

“This is just a grim reminder of a filed policy in Iraq” No Sen Durbin it’s a “grim reminder” of how evil the enemy is and that leaving would open the flood gate of genocide in Iraq! Durbin continues to defend terrorists not denounce them, not him not Amnesty International yet they call us on the carpet for Gitmo?!?!? Can you say…. Credibility, can you say… hypocrisy

You are wrong and also a hypocrites, it’s not the fact that Michael Moore said what he said during an act IT’S THE FACT THAT HE SAID IT!!! You are all OK with it as long as your people say it but when some one like Ann coulter takes on the Jersey Girls because they have entered the verbal arena you fail to hold those on your side to the same standards but you lack the intellectual honesty to police “your own” you all disgust me your all two faced

“-who the )(*& are you to tell Iran what they have to do regarding economics.” Feeling guilty aren’t we?

What one of you said to me
“We have a President who has repeatedly resorted to fear mongering in order to push his own agenda. That's un-American and wrong. The idea that we need to get onboard with Bush to present a "united front "is a bigger threat to the US than Osama Bin Laden could ever be.”
What I said
You and people like you at this time constitute a threat to this country’s security just as much as China, N. Korea, the U. N. and any terrorist organization out there.
The response from Dave
More NJ: "You and people like you at this time constitute a threat to this country’s security just as much as China, N. Korea, the U. N. and any terrorist organization out there." I mean, wow. Kinda speaks for itself.Radical opinions openly hostile toward other Americans. Millions of Americans, in fact. A majority finally. Thinking people, demonized. 1930's Germany indeed.
You people just cant help calling Conservatives Nazis Oh I forgot as long as you’re not talking about terrorists – you people are hollow


Wed Jun 21 2006 9:23 PM


Mike of the Great White North:

Quoth the NJ...
"You are wrong and also a hypocrites, it’s not the fact that Michael Moore said what he said during an act IT’S THE FACT THAT HE SAID IT!!! You are all OK with it as long as your people say it but when some one like Ann coulter takes on the Jersey Girls because they have entered the verbal arena you fail to hold those on your side to the same standards but you lack the intellectual honesty to police “your own” you all disgust me your all two faced"

Your the most arrogant sack of merde ive delt with in a while you know. You tell me when jokes and satire become off limits? Guess we cant make any jokes regarding any tragedies period? To hell with you. I've heard plenty of tasteless shit in my time from comics, but the context is always there... one you fail to grasp because you apperently are brain deficient. Ann Coulter IS NOT a comic, stand up or otherwise. She has been asked REPEATEDLY if she means the things she says and she defends her positions aggresivly. If you really need a list of things she's said that are 1000% worse than what Moore said during his show, ill be glad to help out.

“-who the )(*& are you to tell Iran what they have to do regarding economics.” Feeling guilty aren’t we?"

GUILTY OF WHAT? wanna delve into that comment a little further, cuz i have no f'n clue what your getting at... though it probably will have no f'n point.

Thu Jun 22 2006 1:02 PM


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