August 20, 2003 10:24 AM
Harper's Magazine:
From recently unsealed handwritten motions filed by suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui over the past year. Moussaoui was arrested in August 2001 and is accused of conspiring with the September 11 hijackers. Frank Dunham was Moussaoui's court-assigned lawyer; Moussaoui is now representing himself. Leonie Brinkema is the federal judge hearing the case.MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: Emergency Strike at Ashcroft Invisible 5th Plane, so his Suck Buster be Produced
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Strike the Fat Megalo Dunham for Cyber War Subversion
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Force Ashcroft to Show His Ultimate Fantasie Theory
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Force Fat Megalo Dunham to Submit to Death Judge Lieonie a Motion for Reconsideration in the Light of Ashcroft Ever Changing Delirious Theory (1st 20th Hijacker, then 5th Plane Strike to Dark House, then "Gone with the Wind")
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Keep Mad, Out of Control Standby Hord of Blood Sucker, Out of Halal, Pure Pro Se Land
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Know How the United Satan is Lying to Murder Me be "Legal" Means
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Stop the Pervert Game of the Fascist Bureau of Inquisition Against My Distraught Mother
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Stop the Pervert Sodom and Gomorah Agents of Torturing this Defender of Muslims
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Force the United Scavenger and their Blood Sucker Dunham to Give Me Access to the Internet Site after More than 6 Month of Dirty Tricks
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Jail Ashcroft for the Contempt of his Slaves
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Get Access to Gas Chamber Guaranty Theory
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Force Liar Ashcroft to Disclose and Unredact His Delirious New 5th Plane Pilot Missing in Action as Briefed to His Court of Appall
MOTION by Zacarias Moussaoui: to Get a Descent Cell to Search the Mountain of Discovery
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Paul in OC:
As punishment for his criminal national negligence, I hereby sentence President Bush to be Moussaoui's cellmate for a period of not less than four years.
If only I had the authority.
Funny thing is, Bush would give the guy a nickname, and they'd be the best of buddies within a day or two. You have to admit, they seem to have similar cognitive abilities.
Wed Aug 20 2003 8:46 PM
dhermesc:
Lets' just put Al Gore in the cell with him. Moussaoui would hang himself with a bedsheet or file a motion concerning cruel and unusual punishment.
Thu Aug 21 2003 7:12 AM
Paul in OC:
Yeah, Al Gore is boring, but he wouldn't have invaded Iraq in order to "bring peace to the Middle East". How stupid was that idea?! I'll take a boring bureaucrat any day over a guy who is so naive and stupid that he can be manipulated by his senior staff.
It's been a bizarre experience hearing Bush say, "No, we're not going to do that", then hearing Wolfowitz or Cheney saying "We are considering all options and there certainly is a possibility...", and then hearing Bush spout the PNAC agenda 3-6 months later. Talk about a malleable mind. The guy is putty in the hands of the wingnut fringe leadership.
Americans put far too much stake in having exciting and entertaining leaders vs. having competent and able administrators. I still can't believe anyone really voted for Bush. Unbelievable.
Fri Aug 22 2003 11:31 AM
dhermesc:
Al Gore may be boring, but it doesn't exactly imply intellegence or honesty. His idea of peace in the middle east would probably involved Saddam sending a breifcase full of cash under the guise of a campaign contribution, you know China style. As we look back at the Clinton-Bore administration we can only marvel at their attempts to deal with North Korea and Iraq. If only the Clinton impeachment had been closer, Slick may have started the invasion in Iraq much sooner instead of lobbing cruise missiles into civilian centers for 4 years. As for N. Korea, the food and oil for no nuclear proliferation worked out just fine.
Anybody remember the comparisons of the Unibomber's and Al's writings concerning the enviroment and technology? Would America rest much easier with that wingnut in the White House?
Fri Aug 22 2003 1:51 PM
Paul in OC:
"Al Gore may be boring, but it doesn't exactly imply intellegence or honesty."
Have you no shame?
Fri Aug 22 2003 4:48 PM
dhermesc:
Have you no shame?
That is a question that should have been asked when Al squeezed a tear out while blaming "Big Tobacco" for his sister's death from cancer. In the mean time he continued to cash his royalty check from the family tobacco farm.
Mon Aug 25 2003 8:58 AM
Paul in OC:
I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. Are you actually ridiculing Gore's sorrow at the loss of his sister, or am I reading you wrong?
Not being an avid Newsmax reader or Ditto-Head, I wasn't familiar with this particular Gore smear. I couldn't find any corroboration on the web that Gore continued to collect tobacco income after his sister's death, when he promised to stop making money off of tobacco.
If it's hypocrisy you're interested in, how about GWB, who promised to support our troops, but then proposed cutting their "iminent danger pay" and "family separation allowance"?
Mon Aug 25 2003 4:30 PM
dhermesc:
What's a "Ditto-Head"?
The Gore family owns and operates a tobacco farm. It was even in a press release about how as a child he used to walk the tobacco fields with a shotgun (released to prove he was only for "reasonable" gun control). If he has sworn off the tobacco money, good for him, now he can write checks to all the families of people that died from smoking while Al and his family lived off their misery.
Tue Aug 26 2003 6:05 AM
dhermesc:
A little more on the man who would end tobacco use as we know it.
Yet this was the same Al Gore whose family grew the raw material for Marlboros and Camels; who bragged about his tobacco roots when he tried to win the Democratic presidential nomination in 1988 ("I've hoed it, I've dug it, I've sprayed it," etc.); and who accepted campaign contributions from cigarette companies through 1990. This was the same former Tennessee senator who, at the 1996 Democratic National Convention, shamelessly exploited the story of his sister's death in an attempt to explain his embrace of the anti-smoking crusade. After his sister, who started smoking as a teenager, died of lung cancer in 1984, this tobacco hoer, digger, and sprayer had an epiphany: Smoking can kill you. "And that is why," he somberly proclaimed, "until I draw my last breath, I will pour my heart and soul into the cause of protecting our children from the dangers of smoking."Even if we manage to believe that his sister's lung cancer opened Gore's eyes to the evils of tobacco, that doesn't explain why, for years after her death, he continued to profit, through campaign contributions and income from land his family leased for tobacco cultivation, from the habit he now assails as "the number one leading cause of preventable death and disease in the United States." Asked about this apparent inconsistency after his convention speech, Gore cited a six-year period of "numbness" that prevented him from severing his ties to the Merchants of Death. "Sometimes you never fully face up to things that you ought to face up to," he said, lapsing into what sounded like a quote from The Wonder Years. "You never fully learn the lessons that life has to teach you."
Tue Aug 26 2003 6:14 AM
dhermesc:
Have you no shame?
FICTION: Al Gore said his father, a senator, was a champion of civil rights during the 1960's.
FACT: Gore's father voted against the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and was a racist who was fond of using the "N----" word.FICTION: Al's sister died of lung cancer and Gore vowed to never accept tobacco money as campaign contributions.
FACT: Just four years later, while campaigning for office, Gore spoke to the tobacco industry and said he was one of them because "I've planted it, raised it, cut it, and dried it." He raised over $100,000 in "reported" Big Tobacco contributions.FICTION: While running for office, Gore's campaign literature claimed he was a "Brilliant Student".
FACT: Washington newspapers said he barely passed Harvard and consistently earned D's and C's.FICTION: Gore claims an extensive knowledge of law as a result of his extensive study at law school.
FACT: Al Gore dropped out of law school.FICTION: Gore claimed that his knowledge of God and spirituality came to complete fruition while "finishing" divinity school.
FACT: Al Gore dropped out of divinity school.FICTION: Al Gore claimed responsibility for inventing the Internet in the 1990's.
FACT: Shocked scientists were quick to speak out, explaining that the Internet had been in widespread use by government and educational institutions since the early 1970's.FICTION: Al Gore claimed the book "Love Story" was based on his life and Tipper's.
FACT: Author Erich Segal called a press conference to deny his claim. (Couldn't he at least lie about a love story where his sweetheart doesn't die?"FICTION: Gore claimed that as a reporter for a Nashville newspaper, his stories led to the arrests of numerous corrupt criminals.
FACT: He later apologized for his claim and actually said it was untrue (Also known as lying).FICTION: Gore claims to increase diversity in the staff that follows him daily, especially among blacks.
FACT: Black members of the Secret Service are suing because they claim they are not being promoted to positions guarding theVice-President.FICTION: Al Gore said he was the first to discover the Love Canal nuclear accident.
FACT: The incident was already discovered, being investigated, and covered widely in the press for many months before Gore was even aware of it.FICTION: Gore said just recently that if elected president, he would put harsh sanctions on the sleazy producers of Hollywood's extreme sex and violence.
FACT: Just six days later, Gore attended a fundraiser by Hollywood producers and radical gay activists where he told them that he would only pretend to "nudge them" if elected. He raised over $4 million in campaign contributions.FICTION: Al Gore said he built his Tennessee home with his bare hands.
FACT: Totally untrue!FICTION: Al Gore says parents should not have a choice between private and public schools because public schools are far better.
TRUTH: Al Gore attended private school and he has sent his children to private schools.FICTION: Al Gore remembers his mother lulling him to sleep as a baby by singing the popular ditty, "Wear The Union Label".
FACT: The popular ditty was created by the unions when Gore was 27 years old.FICTION: Al Gore claimed to co-sponsor the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act.
FACT: The Act was not sponsored until he had been out of office for over a year.FICTION: Al Gore claims to be instrumental in keeping gas prices low.
FACT: Gore has voted on numerous occasions to raise the tax on gasoline. In his book "Earth In The Balance" Gore claims that the nation's Number One enemy is the internal combustion engine. (That's the motor in your vehicle that gets you to work and takes your kids to school.)FICTION: Gore pretends to champion the rights of poor women to be tested regularly for breast cancer with the most modern technology.
FACT: While giving a speech on the subject, Gore didn't know what a mammogram was.FICTION: AL Gore promised Florida's senior citizens that they would finally have low-cost drugs with no interference from government.
FACT: Gore's plan calls for the creation of a huge federal agency that would tell you which doctor you are allowed to see in order to get the "special rates".FACT: Al Gore told NBC's Lisa Meyers that he had never told a lie. When Meyers pressed harder, "You've never told a lie?!" Gore said, "Not that I know of." (DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR?)
Tue Aug 26 2003 6:46 AM
Paul in OC:
dhermesc,
I'm not a big fan of Gore, although I think he would have made a fine President. Certainly, he was much more qualified, and would have done a much better job than Bush.
Regarding tobacco farming, Gore was born into the business. My understanding is that his family didn't own a tobacco farm per se, but rather that they owned a farm, of which tobacco was the staple. They supposedly grew other crops. No, growing tobacco isn't a noble purpose, but it sounds to me like it wasn't his sole property, and it's not clear whether he is still receiving income from the property. He promised to get out, when his sister died, and so if he didn't, I would take that as a breach of his word. But, still a minor breach, as his decision doesn't really affect anyone other than himself. Ultimately, smokers are responsible for their own health problems. It's not Al Gore's fault, or Bob Dole's for that matter.
I would advise you to not believe uncritically everything which comes out of the right wing smear machine. Their job wasn't to inform you about Gore - rather it was to smear his name permanently, to the extent that he would be considered unpresidential. I think they did a very good job. If one could be proud of such a thing, I would say they have good reason to be proud.
I don't have the time to address all of your allegations. A lot of them are darn nit-picky, you have to admit. The spin-meisters rely on us to be moved by the sheer quantity of "revelations", nit-picky as they might be. This is the way the human mind works. Twenty minor "lies" seems to be worth more than one damning one, these days.
I'll just take the one on the Internet, because it's my favorite. First of all, Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet. The first rule of smearing someone is to change what they said to make it seem more damning. What Gore actually said was "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
OK, so Gore clearly didn't invent the Internet, but he recognized its value early on and helped it to grow into what it has become. What Gore said may have been an exaggeration, depending upon how you read it, but if so, it wasn't so far from the truth. If Bush made a similar exaggeration, it would be chalked up to a mistaken choice of words, but Democrats are apparently supposed to be held to a higher standard. Witness GWB stating that we invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein wouldn't allow the weapons inspectors in, which was either a stunning mis-statement or an egregious lie. One can only hope that it was a lie, or one would have to conclude that the President is not sharing the same reality as the rest of us. If it was indeed a lie which was intended to deceive the American people, it's an indication of systemic corruption at the very top levels of this administration.
Back to Gore...
Vinton Cerf, the "Father of the Internet" defended Gore:
As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks into an Interagency Network. Working in a bi-partisan manner with officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bushs administrations, Gore secured the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in 1991. This Gore Act supported the National Research and Education Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.
As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today, approximately 95% of our nations schools are on the Internet. Gore provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven operation.
There are many factors that have contributed to the Internets rapid growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political support for its privatization and continued support for research in advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large.
The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the value of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.
Tue Aug 26 2003 9:43 AM
Paul in OC:
dhermesc,
I'm not going to bother refuting all of the allegations against Gore. As far as I'm concerned, Clinton/Gore is in the past. The Presidential campaign of Governor Howard Dean is where the future lies. I'm more interested in refuting the upcoming smears against him, than in rehashing the smears against Gore.
Gore was a very poor campaigner, but in my personal belief, he would have made a fine President. I would have much preferred either Bradley or McCain over him, but Gore was capable of doing the job. Bush is not, and he only thinks he's in charge. He relies heavily on his advisors to make up his mind for him. You are free to believe differently, but I do hope that you will be more critical in the future of the spin points which come out of the the RWSM (Right Wing Smear Machine).
Google is your friend, but only if you use it wisely. If you first seek to disprove something, rather than reinforce your preconceptions, you'll do better at ferretting out the truth.
And the truth is really what's important, isn't it?
Tue Aug 26 2003 9:55 AM
dhermesc:
Paul in OC:
"I would advise you to not believe uncritically everything which comes out of the left wing smear machine. Their job wasn't to inform you about Bush - rather it was to smear his name permanently, to the extent that he would be considered unpresidential". I think they have tried and failed, thus far. "If one could be proud of such a thing, I would say they have good reason to be proud".
"Twenty minor "lies" seems to be worth more than one damning one, these days". Actually when one can't be trusted to tell the truth about about a minor subject, how can one be trusted to tell the the truth about anything of importance? The Clinton-Gore adminstration operated on the tactic that the truth is but a lie not yet proven.
Quit hanging around the DU and learn what the rest of America is thinking. As for the "indication of systemic corruption at the very top levels of this administration", do you really wish argue that point? Even Clinton has stated that the current war is of just cause and the democratic canidates are being small minded in their attacks on the Bush administration. Not the ringing endorsement the democratic party was seeking.
Tue Aug 26 2003 11:39 AM
Paul in OC:
dhermesc,
Left wing smear machine?
Are you calling a handful of bloggers a "smear machine"?
I've never been to the Democratic Underground. I've only heard about it, and what I've heard hasn't been all that positive.
I think we've been discussing the Bush administration's corruption, and you've yet to refute the allegations:
The administration distorted evidence that Iraq had an ongoing nuclear program.
...cherry-picked atypical evidence and with-held other evidence, in order to promote a war agenda.
...blew the secret cover of a CIA operative, as a means of political payback.
...lied about ties between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.
If you're going to respond to anything in this post, tell me what you think about Bush's statement that we went to war because Saddam Hussein wouldn't allow the weapons inspectors in.
What is your answer? A or B?
A. Bush lied about why the U.S. went to war.
B. Bush mis-spoke about why the U.S. went to war.
Tue Aug 26 2003 3:28 PM
dhermesc:
Paul in OC
As for the left wing smear machine, have you not watched CNN, CBS, NBC, or ABC? Only one network even comes somewhat close to balanced reporting and FOX has a serious problem getting it right (which I guess is better then deliberately broadcasting a lie presented as truth).
If you look back at speeches given by several democratic leaders over the past 8 years, all presented the same information that Bush presented as reasons to go to war. Even the left's hero Herr Klinton said Iraq had nuclear weapons (want to argue that one again?). Why bother to argue a point that has been beat to death on this sight already. All facts presented are brushed aside as they do not support the neoliberal cause and therefore not valid.
Wed Aug 27 2003 5:43 AM
Paul in OC:
dhermesc,
When did any of these networks attempt to paint Bush in a negative light? They've actually gone out of their way to try to help make the poor sap look Presidential. They ignore his malapropisms, gaffes, and outright lies. They were uncritical in the lead-up and during the war. It actually makes me angry that you would try to make such a baseless accusation, when these networks are all supporting Bush in every way possible, and they did everything possible to tear Clinton down.
Please come up with a shred of evidence.
Also, you didn't answer my question about whether Bush lied or mis-spoke about the reason for going to war. I'm interested in your thoughts on the matter. Is Bush incompetent or criminal? Or do you agree with him, that we went to war because Saddam Hussein wouldn't allow weapons inspectors in?
Wed Aug 27 2003 12:09 PM
dhermesc:
"If you're going to respond to anything in this post, tell me what you think about Bush's statement that we went to war because Saddam Hussein wouldn't allow the weapons inspectors in."
Please tell me where this came from, I have never heard statement attributed to Bush or the Bush administration before.
It was my understanding that ONE OF THE REASONS for the war was Saddam would NOT COOPERATE with UN weapons inspectors and reveal the location of or manner of destruction of weapons found previously during the weapons inspections in the 1990s. This cooperation was required in 17(?) UN resolutions.
Wed Aug 27 2003 3:07 PM
Here's the quote Paul is referring to:
The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power, along with other nations, so as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States and our friends and allies in the region. I firmly believe the decisions we made will make America more secure and the world more peaceful.
President Bush, 7/14/2003 2:23 PM EDT
Click on the link to view the full transcript. I can't think of any way to interpret this other than Bush completely lost his mind. Really bizarre. The media ignored it. I think it's simply because they don't know what to make of it. It's just so out-of-left-field.
Ooh, I know! Maybe he was abducted by aliens from the Crawford ranch in August 2002. The aliens decided to wreak a little havoc here on earth. Start a war, ya know, basic stuff. Then they dropped our President back in, and it's taking him a little while to get back up to speed.
Wed Aug 27 2003 6:35 PM
And on top of it all, Kofi Annan was sitting right next to him.
Wed Aug 27 2003 6:36 PM
dhermesc:
I will readily admit I knew nothing about this quote, as Jim said, the media didn't pounce on it and bat it around for a couple weeks (was Kobe Bryant in court that day?).
Perhaps the media actually thought (I know, extrememly unlikely, I go more with the theory too lazy to read the transcript) he meant to let the UN inspectors in "to palaces" or allow UN inspectors in "to military bases", both where areas the UN was denied access by the Iraqis. I agree its a gaffe not to complete a sentence, but what did you think he meant?
Thu Aug 28 2003 6:34 AM
dhermesc:
I know, lets go with a Bill Clinton tactic, please define "in".
Thu Aug 28 2003 6:37 AM
dhermesc:
Then again we also have these memorable quotes that where not blare forth by the media either:
"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say. "William J. Clinton, speech in Philadelphia PA City Hall courtyard 5/28/93***
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans William J. Clinton at press conference in Piscataway NJ 3/1/93, Boston Globe3/2/93 & USA Today 3/11/93***
"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees. William J. Clinton, 8/12/93***
Thu Aug 28 2003 12:52 PM
Paul in OC:
dhermesc,
You are truly fixated on Clinton/Gore. I bet you still have nightmares about them (and Hillary!!). I can see how having accountable government can really get under your skin. Good thing we have this freewheeling pseudo-Junta which is running the show now, so you can sleep easier.
So, back to the original question - was Bush intentionally lying to the American people or did he mis-speak? Was he criminal or incompetent?
Thu Aug 28 2003 4:47 PM
dhermesc:
Talk about fixation.
I feel he mispoke, and said something that sounded stupid (or was stupid) by not completing a sentence. He is a human being.
As for being worried about Slick, not a problem now that he is out of office. It was somewhat scary to be an ordinary American under his administration though. As for Hillary, the people of New York voted for her and can have her. No matter what she does or where she goes she will still be Mrs Bill Clinton and never lay claim to any real power of her own.
Fri Aug 29 2003 5:21 AM
You just might get her, dhermesc!
There is a lot of talk about Hillary running in '04. Democrats now see Bush as very vulnerable. (well, duh!) The plan all along had been for her to run in '08, under the assumption that Bush would be re-elected. Now, thanks to Governor Dean, that plan is all messed up.
Fri Aug 29 2003 10:08 AM
Paul in OC:
dhermesc,
It was pretty scary having a voice in government under Clinton. Rest assured, that your government is safely back in the hands of the fat cats.
Fri Aug 29 2003 10:20 AM
dhermesc:
Paul in OC
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans, open statements of contempt like this by a president make "ordinary" people very fearful.
Jim:
I see Bush as very vulnerable, I have said that since he was first elected (actually I said neither Bush nor Gore would be reelected, and that was before the Florida problems). I don't believe the threat will come from Dean however, his appeal is extremely limited, best described as the angry white male democrat. His appeal to women, minorities, and older Americans (not just old yuppies) just isn't there. He can draw crowds, but so can Jesse Jackson, neither is presidential material. If it comes down to Dean -vs- Bush, Bush wins. A bigger threat comes from Leiberman, who if nominated would take election easily , Hell, I would vote for Leiberman over Bush.
Fri Aug 29 2003 1:21 PM
dhermesc:
Hillary in '04 would be a VERY big mistake for the democrats, she is to polarizing of a figure and still seen as Mrs Bill Clinton. 2008 might be her year to run, but it might be the year for Liddy Dole also.
Fri Aug 29 2003 1:38 PM
Paul in OC:
dhermesc,
"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it, " [Bush] said.
-- Business Week, July 30, 2001Lieberman is one of the most uninspiring candidates I have ever seen. A lot of Democrats don't like him. I don't see how he could beat Bush without a serious amount of cash, and he seems incapable of running a campaign that would generate it.
Dean, on the other hand, is already running a national campaign. He's where he needs to be right now, in order to be able to challenge Bush.
Fri Aug 29 2003 2:52 PM
Jim:
Bush is a fascist at heart and so is the shadow government in the United States. He is doing his
best to destroy the Constitution and using the
intelligence community in this country as a modern day Gestapo in which to do so.The NSA spying on people who question bush's insane decisions? The FBI requesting that they
can label any American citizen a domestic terrorist at anytime they want thanks to the fascist patriot act, and toss that citizens Constitutional rights down the toilet. All our private records open the the FBI at a whim.. medical records, financial records, library records -- going as far back into a person's life
as they care to and denying us our right to due process.All of the above are happening because of bush,
and much of it was happening long before he stole
both of the elections that put this fascist into power.The United States is nothing now but a fascist nation using the disguise of democracy to keep the American people thinking that they are in charge. And it's quite clear from how America has been run into the ground that this federal government has not even come close to representing the interests of the American people.
We should take a shovel to the US Federal Government and start from scratch. We could not do a worse job then the legislators we have in there now.
Mon Feb 27 2006 3:34 PM
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