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Iraqi blogger: We'll take our chances...Just GO!

May 7, 2004 9:07 AM

Iraqi blogger, Riverbend:

People are seething with anger- the pictures of Abu Ghraib and the Brits in Basrah are everywhere. Every newspaper you pick up in Baghdad has pictures of some American or British atrocity or another. It's like a nightmare that has come to life.
People are so angry. There’s no way to explain the reactions- even pro-occupation Iraqis find themselves silenced by this latest horror. I can’t explain how people feel- or even how I personally feel. Somehow, pictures of dead Iraqis are easier to bear than this grotesque show of American military technique. People would rather be dead than sexually abused and degraded by the animals running Abu Ghraib prison.
All I can think about is the universal outrage when the former government showed pictures of American POWs on television, looking frightened and unsure about their fate. I remember the outcries from American citizens, claiming that Iraqis were animals for showing 'America's finest' fully clothed and unharmed. So what does this make Americans now?
I don't understand the 'shock' Americans claim to feel at the lurid pictures. You've seen the troops break down doors and terrify women and children… curse, scream, push, pull and throw people to the ground with a boot over their head. You've seen troops shoot civilians in cold blood. You've seen them bomb cities and towns. You've seen them burn cars and humans using tanks and helicopters. Is this latest debacle so very shocking or appalling?
I sometimes get emails asking me to propose solutions or make suggestions. Fine. Today's lesson: don't rape, don't torture, don't kill and get out while you can- while it still looks like you have a choice... Chaos? Civil war? Bloodshed? We’ll take our chances- just take your Puppets, your tanks, your smart weapons, your dumb politicians, your lies, your empty promises, your rapists, your sadistic torturers and go.

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Read the 10 comments.


Not a surprising insight, but sad nonetheless. I think the latest sentence he/she made pretty much sums it up. The double-standard Americans are willing to live with is mind-boggling. I guess it is also not surprising in an age when most of the news being fed to the slim Americans who actually care are akin to a tabloid.

Sat May 8 2004 5:50 PM

Peter Freevendale:

You sound as if we regarded you Iraqis as human. Let me tell you we don't regard you Iraqis. (Period). You want us to go? Fine. Just give us compensation, say in oil, for the cost of this war and one billion for each us soldier killed by your cowardly tactics and were outta that hell hole. You guys are plain lucky we decided to capture Saddam. We are gonna repatriate whole of Iraq with Jews from Israel just to teach all muzzie terrorists a lesson to respect US.

Mon May 10 2004 3:12 AM


Yeah they sure are lucky for us fucking their country up far beyond what Saddam could have done. They sure are lucky for forcing their country into collapse and turning into a haven for terrorists, whereas it wasn't before.

The price for war is severe. Both for Americans and for Iraqis. It was and still is THEIR country. They did not have a choice in our decision to INVADE. They owe us nothing.

Tue May 11 2004 12:59 PM

Paul Stone:

The U.S. has brought the same things to Iraq which we said we were trying to do away with:

* mass graves (10,000+ dead Iraqis - the true count is unknown)
* rape rooms
* torture

The most important aspect of the Iraq prison scandal is that coalition military intelligence officials estimate that 70% - 90% of the prisoners were arrested by mistake. So, many of these are innocent people being tortured by Americans.

Why should we believe that it is a different story in Guantanamo?

Tue May 11 2004 1:40 PM


first off, we didn't capture saddam, it was the kurds, and secondly if their gorrilla tactices are cowardly, what were the minute men. who didn't fight like every other army at that time, but ambushed and fired from the bushes. war is about killing your enemy. arn't cruise missles and so called smart bombs cowardly. in a recent poll, iraqis want democracy, when ask what democracy means, 90% had no idea. i'm sure it would be the same with the "conservatives".

Sat May 15 2004 6:58 PM


We sure are fucking lucky that Gore wasn't in office or maybe America would be a pile of rubbish. Of course you don't care, so let me talk about something that hit's home. Assume you and your children were living in Iraq, all of a sudden Saddam has sent men to take your oldest son and kill him, for reasons unbeknownst to you, damn, i'm sure glad he's still in power. Seems to me a few innocent lives are worth a lot of innocent lives. Of course liberals never think with logic and intelligence, god forbid you look at numbers and apply math, no, fuck no, as long as one life is safe then your happy. The problem with your views is that they are all fine and dandy as long as everything is going according to plan...

Mon Jun 14 2004 1:09 AM

Jim Gilliam:

I know, it really is horrible when they kill your oldest son for reasons unbeknownst to you.

full text is here:

Mon Jun 14 2004 8:41 AM


Obviously a liberal article, look, if you're gonna paste liberal generated articles in response to my statements, thats fine. Why don't you go clip some articles from the NY times, paste them up here as webmaster, and then claim it's a debate. Or, you can follow the route that normal, intelligent people follow, and post a rebuttal. Until then, I guess you can't really reply to what I've said, therefore, I assume you agree.

Mon Jun 14 2004 11:29 PM


Go for it Mike, I'm with you!!!

Tue Jun 15 2004 8:23 PM

Jim Gilliam:

It wasn't really meant as a debate. More of a snarky, smart ass comment.

My views are completely unsupportable so I don't like to debate brilliant minds.

Wed Jun 16 2004 8:13 AM

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