From Jim Gilliam's blog archives
Bill O'Reilly Smears Robert Greenwald... Again!

November 16, 2005 12:34 AM

"a radical progressive, who blames America first"

"This guy is like just to the right of Fidel Castro, just a ridiculous human being"

"He's a liar and an idiot."

You should hear the way he says Robert's name, it's priceless. Watch the video.

UPDATE: Robert blogged about this: "I have discovered the miracle cure for all ailments. As I work through 18 hour days on a tour with the Wal-Mart film and the body rebels, the wonder drug appears! An attack by my friend Billy!"

That's exactly what happened to me.

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Read the 42 comments.

Mark Moshay:

Bill O'Reilly is one of Tv/Radio's biggest (unfunny) jokes since airbag Limbaugh.

The movie was extremely well done. One thing NeoCons and hacks like O'Reilly can't stand is factual arguement. No-spin zone my A** O'reilly and the right are nothing but SPIN. Because the facts about Walmart are nothing short of UGLY.

Robert should take BO's putdowns as a compliment. In my book, the more BO despises you the more close to the truth you must be.

And that works for me...who wants BO anyway! : )

Wed Nov 16 2005 1:20 AM

Tom from Madison:

Mark is right.

O'Reilly is yet another pompous, boorish, bully with a platform. His put downs ARE compliments.

O'Reilly's show used to strike me as dangerous. He certainly did his part to scare people into a lie-driven war frenzy.

Then folks woke up. Most people are no longer buying his propaganda. He seems to have dropped the "fair and balanced" tag-line. Apparently he is now featuring a tougher warrior / martyr role for himself.

His show has receded to the level of niche programming for the hear-no-evil, willfully ignorant. Like Bush, O'Reilly can't accept reality that contradicts his dogma.

The Colbert Report is a wonderful of O'Reilly's schtick. I'd recommend it to viewers of the factor. It's a whole lot more entertaining and just as reality-based.

Wed Nov 16 2005 10:44 AM


Bill O'Reilly is 100% correct.

Wed Nov 16 2005 11:31 AM

karl marx:

this o' reilly represents a contingent of America that hates itself so thoroughly that they would thrust upon you their twisted inversions of their secret desires. O' Reilly would like nothing better than to run down the aisles in WalMartistan and spread white phosphorous on the diverse and underpaid staff as they stock the shelves in Brand Name Satori. He is a high mullah in the WhiteSkin Taliban. Praise be to ABC.

Wed Nov 16 2005 11:56 AM

Dave E.:


You far-left radicals are itchin to be put on the O'Reilly far-left smear list (on the back of his 5 star falafel recipe with double chick peas)...better tread lightly, lest your American cred be judged by the mighty and righteous one!

Watch it, far lefters! You're on notice!

Seriously though. This is one hate inciting mofo. Can anyone say HUAC? How about McCarthyism? A few steps further in the direction he appears to be heading, he'll be openly calling for the lynching of those dangerous liberals.

I suppose I still get a little pissed knowing that this blowhard's soapbox includes nationwide radio and television wavelength (public commons - yeah right). Hopefully his drain-circling continues until his head explodes during one of his tirades.

Wed Nov 16 2005 12:37 PM


So you attack him for having an opinion. Interesting.

Wed Nov 16 2005 3:38 PM


The film starts with a gross mispresentation about the H&H Hardware store where the inference is that it closed due to Wal Mart opening in that town. The problem here is that H&H closed as much as two months before Wal Mart opened and the owner of H&H has gone on record saying that Wal Mart opening had nothing to do with his store closing! Furthermore, the new owners of the hardware store have actually grown the business, all while Wal Mart has been open!

Typical garbage - don't let facts get in the way of promoting a idealogical position!

Wed Nov 16 2005 4:16 PM


I thought this whole agenda was to expose, confront and resolve issues with Walmart but I see that the left has positioned itself as the self-imposed crusader in this cause. News flash!
This is not a partisan issue. I'm a conservative Republican who seethes at the utter callousness and disdain wal-mart exhibits towards its workers and this country in general. The perfect example of heartless capitalism at its worst. Capitalism is not the problem, so you union communist crooks can quit gloating. News flash 2: Americans don't want unions. You ARE part of the problem. Why would we go from this current corporate sleaze to an even sleazier alternative. Let's demand, together, that wal-mart become a corporate partner to the American people. So stop your ideological BS and get back to the matter at hand. Liberals and the left do NOT own the franchise for what is...err, "right".
After viewing the film and analysing its content, make a decision on how YOU as an individual will choose to make wal-mart respond to our requests for a shared partnership in economic growth.
And for you Bush-bashers, after seeing this movie, I'd like to recommend Chicken Little as your next movie choice. Out.

Wed Nov 16 2005 4:35 PM


Make no mistake about it, unions NOW exist for one primary purpose only: to increase membership from which they can draw dues - that's it!

Wed Nov 16 2005 4:55 PM


". . . to the right of Fidel Castro" . . .???!!

That's hardly a put-down considering that most people want to be to the right of Castro, being that he is an extreme, radical leftist.

Wed Nov 16 2005 4:58 PM


20 years from now america will be wishing that they hadnt turned their backs on unions because everything that unions have gained the last 75 or so years will be gone (health care,decent wages,safe workplaces,paid vacations OT) But no one from this generation really knows the struggle that was made and they all take it for granted ....even your non union jobs need to thank unions for the benefits unions created!!!!

Wed Nov 16 2005 6:05 PM


"The terrorists are finding new ways to harm America & its citizens ... and so are we."- GW BUSH leader of the lost...

Mall-Wart...every dollar slaves!

Chimpeachment 2006

Wed Nov 16 2005 7:01 PM


Unions help sustain the dignity of people by allowing them to earn their own way under more humane working conditions. The flip side is Wal-Mart that requires everyone else to pick up what the associate isn't paid. Read your history and see what working conditions were like before unions. Human nature hasn't changed and without the help of the union the worker's plight will be the same as before. Just this last year we had $40,000 of med. bills that would have ruined us without the union. My work takes me into WM regularly so I am very familiar with the working conditions and the woes of the associates. I am pro union and anti WM

Wed Nov 16 2005 11:11 PM


Unions do have a historical legacy for which we should be thankful. The struggle brought changes for workers and improved working conditions. That's a given. That was then, this is now. Having said all that, you don't want the union, folks. I was in a union once. It is criminal, promotes laziness, shoddy work and ultimately leads to business sectors collapsing (take the auto industry as an example). Please listen to this advice. Give wal-mart the hell it deserves but don't believe that the union is in the best interest of this country. Unions are just a microcosm of the same corporate greed and corruption they pretend to be against (human nature being what it is) ;). Let's not forget their notorious history in this feel-good moment when America is facing up to wal-mart's lack of human decency. Say no to wal-mart and HELL NO to unions. All you need is people power and the power of your individual choice to alter wal-mart's ways of doing business. Check all labels. If it says made in China, don't buy it. It's cheap and made from slave labor. Chances are you don't need it anyway. Is America listening??? It's your livelihood that is at stake here. This is not a game. Get serious with purchasing power.

Thu Nov 17 2005 12:43 AM


Speaking of human decency, how come we never hear anything directly from the Walton family members? Too busy finding ways to shelter their combined 100+ billion empire from being taxed (might want to ask Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton for advice on that) or just too good to leave their ivory towers to see what the rest of us are enduring?

Thu Nov 17 2005 12:57 AM

Dan Thomas:

I have seen what Wal-Marts having been doing in Canada. It is a classic example of them moving into small town Canada and kicking ass!!!!

They kill the downtown stores one by one and they are not satisfied until all the business is theirs That is the typical American mentality. They care only about the bottom line and it shows.

My company also supplied to businesses that were in competition with Wal-mart and they killed our business and hundreds of my customers with their low prices. We also supplied them a bit and the terms and conditions were outrageous. They knew they had all the power and they kicked our ass. They would dictate pricing and terms to us and they said if we did not like it there were 50 other companies that would do business with them. I felt like a cheap whore who was ganged raped because I knew I had no choice since they put my customers out of business and they had the market.

One day America will wake up.

Thu Nov 17 2005 1:05 AM


Unions served their purpose when they started - now labor laws that have been created protect workers. They've outlived their uselfulness. All they promote now is over paid, non-productive, do-nothing mentality that Europe has embraced and their economies are representative of what that brings.

Thu Nov 17 2005 10:14 AM

Tom from Madison:

Workers can be a powerful force for positive if they act collectively. Whether that happens uner the auspices of a "union" is a secondary issue.

The point is workers are losing ground because they aren't taking collective action. This is the worst part of the deal America is being offered by the Republicans.

Individual workers are helpless against the big business $ funneled through lobbyists, think tanks etc. unless they take COLLECTIVE ACTION. Corporations are now taking freedom away from working people by virtue of their economic might and the lack of competition. It is scandalous that voting machine execs have so much say over the electoral process.

Don't forget the workers are also consumers who are being ripped off. Consider the value proposition [or lack of same!] offered by cable TV and dish providers. Consumers generally feel they are being ripped off by the oligopoly. Barriers to entry are preventing real competition.

I say it's time for a change. We need more competition, fewer monopolies and more collective action by workers and consumers.

Thu Nov 17 2005 12:03 PM

Tom from Madison:

Rick is lieing on behalf of Walmart:


"H&H Hardware in Middlefield, Ohio, the controversial Ace Hardware closing opens the movie.

The China connection is made early in the movie.

Greenwald also goes out of his way to make the point that the people he is profiling are Reagan Republicans and life-long conservatives.

Ah, the little lie that Wal Mart told about H&H Hardware comes out. When the owner of H&H Hardware was shopping a business plan to prepare to compete with Wal Mart, he discovered that his building had depreciated, not appreciated, in the 10 years since it was built.

The appraiser told him that the depreciation was due to the Wal Mart being under construction. This is the part that Wal Mart doesn’t tell when it tried to poke holes in the movie two weeks ago.

One person being interviewed compares Wal Mart to a neutron bomb for the way it leaves downtown areas vacant and abandoned.

Jaclyn, sitting to my right, finds the sound levels in the movie distracting. The music is too loud in relation to the dialog. For whatever reasons, the production qualities of the movie are not the best.

$1,557,000,000 cost to the taxpayers every year from Wal Mart’s shifting of employee healthcare costs of to state health care systems.

An anonymous note typed on a computer and printed out that read We Need A Union was enough to mandate a phone call to Bentonville by the store manager. That day, the store manager sent an employee to the airport to meet the Wal Mart corporate jet bring in three corporate executives to deal with the union organizing problem.

Forced, unpaid overtime is the norm at Wal Mart. Working off the clock is expected if you don’t want to lose your job. Why isn’t this a national class-action suit? There are 31 suits in the courts across the country. In Texas alone, the movie tell us, Wal Mart cheats employees out of $150 million each year.

$1,008,000,000 in government subsidies to Wal Mart nationally."

Thu Nov 17 2005 2:22 PM

Tom from Madison:

There is an ideology at work here, but it is the one being purveyed by the neo-cons. They would have you believe that unregulated corporate power is desireable, inevitable and that it will help us all.

There is a simple lesson here: lower prices aren't cheaper. We all pay dearly in the long run.

Thu Nov 17 2005 2:37 PM

raging red:

"now labor laws that have been created protect workers"

Sure, until Bush finishes stacking the Supreme Court with justices who will take us back to the pre-Lochner era.

Thu Nov 17 2005 3:31 PM

Dave E.:

To me, neo-conservative ideology is centered more in foreign policy. And I agree...multi-national corporate plundering is easier to accomplish through aggressive foreign policy, so the neocon political bent fits the most snug to advance the exploitation of resources both at home and abroad.

Economists like Friedman call this exploitation neat sounding names like "the flattening of the world"; they consider it a natural balancing act that market forces exert upon the global market.


It's a race to the bottom, is really what it is. The pursuit of the perfect profit and loss statement. A pristine bottom line. Walmart is an excellent example of a tenacious company doing anything it takes to expand profit margins until they burst. It's deleterious and unsustainable. The middle class, aka the nations tax base and source of revenue for sustainability, goes "poof" eventually.

Granted, this leads into the argument over market philosophy. But people seem to really think the market is done evolving for some reason. Fukuyama called it "The End of History". More hogwash. I'd peg our economy at a very juvenile stage of development, but we already see massive conglomeration. Oligopolies are congealing in every market sector and aggressively squeezing out or just buying any legitimate competitor. The media conglomerate is exhibit number 1. They've got the vast majority of apathetic Americans flying corporate flags at or just below the level of the American flag. It's disgusting.

If more Americans would care enough to spend even a day or two to research the suffocation of the "market" they'd realize just how controlled it really is and how free it really isn't. I'm not saying innovation is dead...the occasional David slays Goliath every now and then (usually to only become the next Goliath).

Just consider the back and forth dance between policy makers and private biz that the policy affects. Routinely, those in politics semi-retire to go work in the private sector for a few years and do business with the very same departments of government they retired from. Then they go back. And forth. And back. And forth. The most obvious example is Cheney, who left politics to work for Haliburton. Then he gets put on the GOP ticket in '00 and gets elected to help clean DC up. Haliburton pays him millions before receiving his VP seat from Clarence Thomas (appointed by H.W.). The rest is history.

To summarize that example: Millions paid to Cheney personally, by the very company he chaired which is now engaged in war profiteering from the sub-moronic policy of aggression Cheney now advances. Free market economy, indeed.

Thu Nov 17 2005 4:08 PM

Dave E.:

Cheney also had big oil effectively creating the national energy policy back in '00. Remember the rolling blackouts in California? It was criminal price manipulation that energy companies like Enron made billions from.

Oh yeah, these were the same knuckleheads Cheney decided to give carte blanche to for developing the nation's future energy strategy. The farmer might as well let the fox draw up the blueprints for the henhouse. Alternative to oil? Reduce dependance on Middle East resources and maybe stop pissing everyone off trying to feed our energy monkey? Dream on.

"The document, obtained this week by The Washington Post, shows that officials from Exxon Mobil Corp., Conoco (before its merger with Phillips), Shell Oil Co. and BP America Inc. met in the White House complex with the Cheney aides who were developing a national energy policy, parts of which became law and parts of which are still being debated."

I've known that for a couple friggin years. That's one helluva latency period there, MSM.

What is this odd "free market" phrase I keep hearing about?

Thu Nov 17 2005 4:27 PM


This movie really highlights more than Wal-Mart being a problem. Some one said that our labor laws are good enough to protect people now, we don't need unions. Well, if that were true, than the conditions at Wal-Mart, Target, and else would not be happening. Our laws are week compared to other industrial countries and some developing nations. Look at what is happening to workers at Delphi, the company can legally fire them and hire them back for minimum wage if they want. The decline of everything that we value in america coincides with the decline in the labor movement. We need union more now than we ever did before.

Thu Nov 17 2005 5:32 PM

Tom from Madison:

Sustainability is key. Neighborhoods and communities deserve better than to hand their fates over to decisions made behind closed doors at Walmart. Walmart is the vehicle by which average people lose control of their own towns.

Reagan gained a lot of traction by running against big gov'ment. Now the worm has turned. Unregulated, unscupulous corporations are the ones who are ruining communities.

Republicans are going to have a hard time billing themselves as populists if they insist that what's good for Walmart is good for America.

Thu Nov 17 2005 5:38 PM


Can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE sue the living pants off O'Reilly for slander, defamation, you name it...


Thu Nov 17 2005 6:10 PM

tommy schopp:

No, we can't sue Bill. Nor can we shut him up, as he has just as much right to spout off as any of us (We do, after all, live in America). But here's what you can do: e-mail the man at [email protected], and ask him to put you on his "smearmongers" list. You've all heard about this, and if you haven't, well, google it, then get yourself on his McCarthy-esque roll-call. Most of us are too young to have made it onto Nixon's list, but Bill's giving us a rare second chance, so do it now! You'll have something to tell your grandkids about!

Fri Nov 18 2005 3:28 AM


Bush, O'Reilly and Cheney. Total IQ 66. Period.

Fri Nov 18 2005 3:34 AM

dale in madison:

i use to watch bill many years ago untill i realised that he was a strong bush backer and could find no fault with bush. now i listen to air america a much better alternative.

Fri Nov 18 2005 11:41 AM


If Bush Cheney and O'Reilly and really that stupid, then how come they are beating you in elections/ratings over and over again? Cause you are really smart?

Fri Nov 18 2005 3:23 PM


Dave, thanks for the enlightenment on neocon ideology. Who or what is the driving force behind this ideology? Let me answer that. The masses or as you put it, "apathetic Americans".The massive conglomeration and congealing Oligopolies are just a by-product of apethectic Americans love of cheap goods.The market is just responding to apathetic American demand. Do you think the average American would spend a day or two researching the controlled marketplace? Please, they might miss an item on NBC's shopping network - which is owned by ?
You have made a number of good points, however your placement of blame on the political flavor of the decade is like blaming the car instead of the drunken driver.

Fri Nov 18 2005 6:07 PM


It seems only a few of the posters are getting it. Most of you are blaming the neocons or the liberals, Or progressive, or whatever the term of the week might be. Just one example is the Dems claiming to be the party for the working class. Phooey! If you want to get the how-to lowdown on having a bulletproof tax shelter, talk to Hillary, or Teddy. The thing is, the self-proclaimed elite, for the most part, don't care so much which party is "in control". They basically only care that "they" all stay at the top. We "commoners" are nothing more in their eyes than an audience at a sporting event. As long as the fans, roughly half cheering one side and half the other, keep bickering and watching the ball go back and forth, to and fro, "they" win. Most of them, whether openly or secretly, are of the globalist mindset. They want only two classes, the elite and the rest of us. Globalism is insidiously and incrementally slithering into our society, and our elected politicians are not only allowing it, they are helping it knowingly. You've all got the internet at your fingertips, do a bit of research!

Now as to Walmart, there is one located about a mile from where I am. I have not, nor will I ever set foot inside that store, nor any in the chain, including Sam's Club. Most corporations stretch the truth in advertizing. Walmart, to my thinking is going to such extreme it is more like they are softening the untruth. Remember the commercials they ran with the good ol' folks proclaiming "made in USA"? Just a needed tactic to lure the customer while they gradually phased out USA products and phased in China products. Every time you buy something stamped "Made in China", you aren't just chipping away at your neighbor's job, and your own job, you are contributing money to the rapid buildup of China's military. Think about it.

Someone commented about never hearing comment from the Walton family. Probably never will because they are the supposed cream at the top. And they don't give a shit about you beyond the money you spend in their stores.

So, don't just blame the libs or the cons, blame all of them. They are all in it together. Example: Daddy Bush and Slick Willy sure seem to be palsy-walsy these days, do they not?

Sat Nov 19 2005 12:44 AM


Yeah, Wal-Mart sucks now because they're supporting the socialist / communist Chinese slave labor camps in the deep interior that almost nobody talks about or even knows about. Just like North Korea's Camp 22 in Haengyong which you can read about at
these camps host entire generations of families who are tortured, mutilated and buried simply because they have voiced a negative opinion about communism. Thats why I won't knowingly buy anything made in China. Not because Soros, Kennedy and the narcissistic Hollywood crowd want total socialism in America. I won't support anything associated with them, so unfortunately, I can't join you in the fight against wal-mart. I'll have to fight them in my own way. Most of the divisiveness in this country has a root cause. Lack of Education. Here is a quote from William Z. Foster Chairman of the American Communist Party, in his book
"Toward Soviet America", published 1932, describes the Communist agenda
for American education: "Among the elementary measures the American Soviet government will adopt to further the cultural revolution are...(a) National Department of Education. The studies will be revolutionized, being cleansed of religious, patriotic, and other features of the bourgeois ideology. The students will be taught the basis of Marxian dialectical materialism, internationalism, and the general ethics of the new Socialist society". There are more quotes like that one which go hand in hand with current events so if you want to see what's going on, first; shut your mouth for a few years, turn off the TV and radio and start reading. After that, you'll know that our leaders are in one big club and they only care about themselves. Whether its the Bushies, the Clintonians, or the Kennedy's, all they do is divide us by getting dumb people to jump on board and call each other names like red-neck or pinko commie liberal.

America Forever

Sat Nov 19 2005 12:26 PM

Dave E.:

Who let all the anarchists in?

Sat Nov 19 2005 12:47 PM

CW4 Ellis M. Freeman:

Unions....when you are bashing Wal*Mart, ask youself if Wal*Mart would even have a market in this country if it weren't for Unions driving prices up so far that even our Government approves such things as NAFTA and calls it good for the American economy. When you talk about lies....ask yourself why if Wal*Mart is so "Bad", is their growth due to a populace in this country that is so blind that they they are just lured to Wal*Mart because that is where they get the best value for their dollar. Union corruption makes Wal*Mart and other employers look like "Chior Boys". To continue the smearing of Wal*Mart the unions would have you believe that all of their Associates are earning poverty level incomes.....before you blindly believe the printed word, or the ramblings of "Anti-Wal*Mart" voices take you own little poll. Ask you neighbor where they shop and why, look at the cars in the local Wal*Mart parking lot...what do you think you will find??? Gee...maybe other union workers wives shopping for groceries and other necessities for the home. Maybe you will see Cadillacs, Mercedes, Jaguars, and Volvo's, and why would they be lowering themselves and their economic and social status in the community to shop at "Lowly Wal*Mart".

I am a Soldier serving in Iraq, defending our country....I think If Thomas Jefferson believed we should question our leaders and challenge them to be honest then we should also challenge our business leaders to have some integrity and honesty. Instead of slamming a successfull business and sucking it up and being honest as to why they are successfull these leaders are lobbied by unions to blame their overcharging labor rates and benefits on a company that not only saves customers money but also returns large amounts of money to each of their stores local communities and charitable organizations. Wal*Mart supports the Military, even the Military PX's charge to much for their products and that is why even in Iraq I can see Wal*Mart sacks everywhere. Wal*Mart is building supercenters outside of Military posts in the United States, Germany and other countries simply because our soldiers who are not paid enough have to find some way of stretching their dollars for their families. You want to talk about about the simple philosophy of selling 5 items for what others sell only 3 of at the same price....that is a discount retailers key to success and people beat a path to their door and make that retailer the largest retailer in the world.(Wal*Mart) Now I suppose more words from you naysayers that will say that only happened because Wal*Mart beat down their suppliers and farmed work out to other 3rd world countries....ask yourself how much of your so called "American Made" automobile is manufactured or assembled entirely in the United States.....and yet the "Claim" by the unions is "Buy American"....what a pile of crap....which lie do you want to believe, and are partial truths the whole story????

Yes, I am in Iraq defending our country and even that story is mislead by the press....why it is easier to sell "Bad News" as opposed to saying that America took out a "Modern Day Hitler", what is wrong with telling the truth. I have lunch in the mess hall and talk to Iraqi women that are American citizens serving their country over here as translators for our servicemembers and they are more honest about the good being weapons of Mass Destruction should guide our people of the world we should care about other people...if we would have been there for the Jewish and the Russion people of the world in the 1930's then we would have had about 35 million more people on the planet. I realize this is getting away from the Wal*Mart issue, but we have about 250+Million people in the United States and lets lie to them some more. If the statement is true..."Immitation is the most sincerest form of flattery", then Wal*Mart should be very flattered by Target, K-Mart, Cosco, and turning the heads of companies like Sears, J.C.Pennys and others that realize consumers will spend their dollars where they can find the best bargains inspite of the lies heard on the news about where they should or should not shop in America. Isn't it funny, no-news magazine show turns their hidden cameras on these Wal*Mart bashing people to see where they spend their hard earned dollars????? Why do you suppose that is??? Like most other things in the World...the Truth doesn't sell....our society is more interested in listening to "Talk Radio" and "Reallity" shows where airheads spout opinions and bash each other like the "Jerry Springer" sheep that only insult their own integrity while yelling at others. When will honesty be the best policy again....George Washington must be spinning out of control in his grave.

Sun Nov 20 2005 7:27 AM

grandpa stole bets:

Program on the emergence of civilization.

"14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. "
And disfavor.

They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it's applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

The roots of racism are not of this earth.

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

AIDS in Africa.

Organizational Heirarchy
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as "god"
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

Terrestrial management:

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans - they answer to the egyptians
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.

Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.

They can affect the weather and Hurricane Katrina was accomplished for many reasons and involves many interests, as anything this historical is::
1. Take heat off Sheenhan/Iraq, protecting profitable war machine/private war contracts
2. Gentrification. New Orleans median home price of $84k is among the lowest in major American cities, certainly among desirable cities.

Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying "He has more money than god." There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says "I'm too old and rich for this."

This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

I don't want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe.

But they have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won't help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.

I offer an example of historical proportions:::

People point to Walmart and cry "anti-union".
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family's problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an enviornment where there are fewer hurdles.

Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people's belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

I believe the coining of the term "Uncle Sam" was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton and WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.

Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals. Malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they "decided" who they didn't want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren't their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

Royalty is the right way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient's hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.

Jesus Christ is a religious figure of evil. These seperatist churches formed so they could still capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.

Simpson's foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. "Last one you ever suspect."
"You'll see lots of nuns where you're going:::hell!!!" St. Wigham, Helloween VI, missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

Since Buddism doesn't recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Chinese representation is instead selected by the thrones.
Budda was the Asian's Jesus Christ::: bad for the people. "They came up at the same time for a reason."

Jews maim the body formed in the image of "god", and inflicted circumsision upon all other white people, as well as the evil that is Jesus Christ.
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor. The Jew leaders decided to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of their methodology.

I believe Islam is the one true religion, and those misled christians who attack "god"'s most favored people will pay dearly one day.

Sun Nov 20 2005 8:10 PM

Tom from Madison:

The last 2 posts remind me of why I am a humanist who favors a secular government. We need to strive for a society where diverse religions co-exist in harmony.

Religious zealots keep coming up with reasons to kill people who don't share their religion. Peace and sunstainable prosperity are what we all need.

Workers taking collective action responsibly are another important step. It is ridiculous to say unions are necessarily corrupt and that we're better off allowing Wal-mart to dictate the choices in our lives.

America deserves better!

Mon Nov 21 2005 12:12 PM


Whoa Grandpa! And don't forget that Navy Seals took out a few of the levies. Now be a good little jihadist and get that lithium prescription filled!I thought you might like this verse when your meds kick in. "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people."[Al-Qur'an 5:32]

Mon Nov 21 2005 7:07 PM


Please...what are you going to tell a muslim about their mystic prophet that leads them to believe that the two greatest things on earth are to kill and be killed in (h)is name? This is not a harangue on the people of that faith as they are (gasp) decent PEOPLE with hope and love for their families and are merely confused pawns in a cultural and religious web that would allow them to accept this philosophy over that of LOVE, PEACE (not your kind of peace tom) and Universal Good Deeds espoused by Christ.
And to Tom, man, how do I start with this guy? Humanism IS a religion and you are a prophet of that agenda (I can see your eyes illuminating in the darkness of that zeal). A "true believer" in your man-made utopia which has brought the world to the precipice of its destruction. You are such a pathetic outcome of the social, educational and industry-created quagmire of forced capitulation to the individuality of people by the social experimenting engineers of the last century that you write as an automaton. Forced indoctrination of acceptance of that which is good and bad just to live in this fairy tale "get-along" fantasy is as evil as that which you so foolishly dismiss as zealotry. Remove the beam from your eye, grasshopper...
For a thorough, concise and enlightening read on what and how we have arrived at this one-world crossroads in labor, education and separation of the classes, please read the following book: The Underground History of American Education at
It's FREE to read online. You will need a 10th grade reading level and a grasp for the English language to get through it but you will come out a better person for it. And if you have children, then this is mandatory reading. Do it for them, if for no other reason.
How does the wal-mart debate come into play? Read the book. You'll get it.

Sun Dec 4 2005 5:31 PM


Liberal cry babies waa waa waa if you guys didnt have something to cry and whine about you would probably be committed.Wall Mart Rocks

Mon Feb 27 2006 6:06 PM


Please... what are you gonna tell a white Christian American who believes that it was his God given right to take over another people's land at any cost including murder. What are you gonna tell a nation who's oppresive imperialistic history is just as bad as any other white Christian nation's. You play it off like Christians are the most peace loving people when we all know that's far from the truth. You and your far right Christian fascist friends love dropping bombs of the nuclear kind over asian civilian populations and then turning around and putting other countries into check when we are the only country evil enough to ever use a "weapon of mass destruction". just because your sad and pathetic existence has made you into a cynical jesus freak and you fail to see the beauty right in front of you instead of looking up into the sky with hope that some man up there will show you some love doesn't doesn't mean you have to preach your religious b/s about some holy carpenter to us humanstics. your pathetic goal in live is to die and end up with a man in heaven. sounds pretty homo if you ask me. is that your idea of feeling complete? that is your salvation? sitting in the kingdom of god worshippintg jesus christ wondering what the hell you're gonna do w/ each passing thats heaven send my ass straight to fucking hell.

Fri Mar 3 2006 12:09 PM


Please... what are you gonna tell a white Christian American who believes that it was his God given right to take over another people's land at any cost including murder – That sounds like Hitler to me. The moment any president of the U. S. decides to go on a crusade, count me on the other side, that’s not what the presidency is for (No Bush isn’t on a crusade)!

What are you gonna tell a nation who's oppressive imperialistic history is just as bad as any other white Christian nation's. You play it off like Christians are the most peace loving people when we all know that's far from the truth. – Oh really?!?, Please enlighten me because the last I heard we’re not running into public places with TNT strapped to us, yes there are those who are religious zealots who kill abortion doctors and I personally think they are terrorists also! Their point is mute on the issue of abortion.

You and your far right Christian fascist friends love dropping bombs of the nuclear kind over Asian civilian populations – Do you realize how many MORE people were saved when we dropped the bomb(s) on Japan?!?!? Because of their propaganda during the war the Japanese believed we were barbarian monsters and it would have cost us infinitely more soldiers’ lives to finally invade Japan

just because your sad and pathetic existence has made you into a cynical Jesus freak and you fail to see the beauty right in front of you instead of looking up into the sky with hope that some man up there will show you some love doesn't mean you have to preach your religious b/s about some holy carpenter to us humanstics. your pathetic goal in live is to die and end up with a man in heaven. sounds pretty homo if you ask me. is that your idea of feeling complete? that is your salvation? sitting in the kingdom of god worshipping Jesus Christ wondering what the hell you're gonna do w/ each passing that’s heaven send my ass straight to fucking hell. – Do I really need to justify this with a response? Let me just say that I take offence at your anti Christian tirade/tantrum.

My religion has been ridiculed just as much if not more then most, case in point a picture/painting of the Virgin Mary with excrement and pornographic pictures of women’s A$$es in an art museum or what about putting a cross in a container of urine and calling that art, you don’t see Catholics burning down museums or rioting in the streets do you???

Mon Mar 6 2006 1:56 PM

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