June 3, 2006 11:25 PM
U.S. taxpayers could have given $10,701 to every man, woman, and child in Iraq for the same amount of money now spent screwing up their country.
We could have just bribed them to overthrow Saddam.
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Right Wing Robby:
It was such a nice place before we got there. We really messed it up.
Sun Jun 4 2006 12:31 PM
Mike of the Great White North:
The latter part of your comment is the truest thing you've ever said.
Too bad you're being a sarcastic winger, true to form.
Sun Jun 4 2006 11:27 PM
Right Wing Robby:
hey Jim,
Radiohead Rocks! About the only one on your list I like, but I like the lots. You just removed them from you list didnt you.
Mon Jun 5 2006 11:52 AM
Tom from Madison:
As an American I remember growing up in the 1960s and 1970s.
Mon Jun 5 2006 3:18 PM
Tom from Madison:
...sorry about the truncated previous post.
....As an American I remember growing up in the 1960s and 1970s. There was a political sea change that occured in the US with Reagan's election in the 1980s.
During that time Saddam was propped up by the US.with the help Reagan and Rummy. Don't we expect Iraqis to remember before 1990 as well? If they do, why would they still trust us now?
Mon Jun 5 2006 3:27 PM
Right Wing Robby:
The Charles Manson was a nice guy until he mass murdered people. Im sure he had a friend or too then. The question is, how could they have been friends with a mass murderer, regardless of wether he was a murderer then or not.
Mon Jun 5 2006 4:28 PM
WonderfulNews!:
A revolutionary Manson argument to rationalize Iraqi psychology! In fact, we should use it now when addressing them for political support--I'm sure the responce will be overwhelming--even more so than the individual $10,701.
Mon Jun 5 2006 9:57 PM
OUTRAGED!:
I cannot believe that Canada has been conducting a Domestic Spy Program and now its spreading to other countries.
The poor men who were arrested will answer no question hopefully. They should be allowed to had conversations without the government spying on them.
I call for the ACLU to immediatly step in and ensure these young men do not have to explain themselves to a government who has used illegal spying programs against ITS OWN PEOPLE!
I know Mike of the North is with me! ITS AN OUTRAGE!
Tue Jun 6 2006 8:11 AM
Tom from Madison:
RWR:
Saddam was never a nice guy. We knew it when we were giving him WMDs and intelligence in the early 1980s. Iraqis were being murdered with full US cooperation under Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld.
We are now asking Iraqis to trust a Rumsfeld -led occupation. How can anyone honestly expect Iraqis to do that? Worse still, Bush insists we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here. What are Iraqis supposed to think when Bush giving this message to Americans?
Tue Jun 6 2006 12:45 PM
Mike of the Great White North:
Dear Outraged:
Far beit from me to comment on a case so early on without anything substantive to comment on (a trait fairly common with wingnuts) i shall deposit my 2 cents.
1. According to the Toronto Star "The chain of events began two years ago, sparked by local teenagers roving through Internet sites, reading and espousing anti-Western sentiments and vowing to attack at home, in the name of oppressed Muslims here and abroad." If you will note that the spying investigation began with these morons began chatting it up on the internet, which is still considered a public forum, as all our comments (including mine) are subject to viewing from anyone, hence there is no privacy issue here to begin with. You now have just cause to pursue an investigation and obtain warrents. What they did NOT do (as of this writing) is simply tap into peoples internet accounts at random looking for this activity. That would be a privicy issue.
2. There is no 'domestic spying' mandate or program in Canada that is condusive to collecting vast ammounts of personal information from the entire population to go on a fishing expidition. And im sure the further you go into the investigation, you will find that there were indeed warrents obtained to perform said judicial functions (unlike Bush sidestepping FISA 3day grace period on warrents).
3. On a final note, it appears that the case may be beggining to unravel.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C06%5C06%5Cstory_6-6-2006_pg7_7
As i said earlier, i'll wait for all the facts to come out before i make overly emotional blowhard statements that i am so used to coming from the far-end-right-off the cliff-nutters.4. Seeing as how I live in Toronto, the last thing i would want to see is something like this scenario actually happen. BUT, if you think for one second that i would sumbit myself to the same rights-eviscerating parade that you Americans are allowing yourselves to be put through for the illusion of security, you can go to hell.
Sorry Outraged, i don't agree with you, not now, not ever.
Tue Jun 6 2006 5:29 PM
Right Wing Robby:
Far beit from me to comment on a case so early on without anything substantive to comment on (a trait fairly common with wingnuts) i shall deposit my 2 cents."
Yeah, Far beit from a liberal to comment with no real evidence on a terrorist. But when it comes to US soldiers, Guilty!
Tue Jun 6 2006 7:47 PM
Tom from Madison:
RWR:
the blame for the total disaster in Iraq goes to Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, and Gonzalez. They decided that this cause was noble and that the rules for this war would be different. Moreover they created the grotesque expectation that anything goes when fighting terrorism.
The appropriate response is impeachment.
Wed Jun 7 2006 9:15 AM
Right Wing Robby:
Unlike the democrat heroClinton, whose response to Terrorism was "nothing goes." Let them be so they can plan and kill thousands.
That worked out well for us.
They attack us, we do nothing. They attack us again, we do nothing. Osama is offered to us, Clinton refuses. They attack us, on the night of impeachment we bomb a camel.
VERY EFFECTIVE!
Wed Jun 7 2006 9:35 AM
Dave E.:
Idiot.
As I recall, Clinton was in office during the successful apprehension and prosecution of those terrorists responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing. Ramzi Yousef rots for life now.
Where's Bin Laden? What about an 8/06/2001 PDB titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US?"
They attack us, and we go batshit crazy on a crusade to impose some fringe doctrine of imperial democratization in places that, without thuggish strongmen as dictators, will explode into chaos and civil war.
Afghanistan was neglected, now they want us the hell out as attacks increase. Iraq is for all practical purposes an evolving ally of Iran. Bush is given nearly unprecedented national unity in the wake of 9/11 where, as unified Americans, we would do whatever it took to become energy independent from Middle East crude; he chooses to pander to big oil and 5 fucking years later decides to make the absurd statement "America is addicted to oil." Where's your cape, captain obvious?
Yeah...very effective.
But this ground has been tilled over and over again. You morons see only what you want to see. Bush is infallible and everything is still all Clinton's fault.
Wed Jun 7 2006 10:13 AM
tomaig:
" You morons see only what you want to see."
Like, everything bad that has happened since November of 2000 is GWB's fault?
Wed Jun 7 2006 10:36 AM
Mike of the Great White North:
RWR says "Yeah, Far beit from a liberal to comment with no real evidence on a terrorist. But when it comes to US soldiers, Guilty!"
My Response:
Dear Tool;
Indeed when it comes to any action the U.S. military takes, or whatever the pentagon reports, it has become a case of the boy who cried wolf. Consider if you will:
1. The Pfc. Jessica Lynch story. Believed to to empty her magazine while defending against the enemy, taken prisoner and then in a daring night rescue is freed and taken home.
VERDICT: Propoganda.
Knocked unconcious by the assault she is taken prisoner, and by all accounts by Iraqi doctors is treated well. One of the doctors covertly informs americans where she is located and under cover of night, she is removed from the unguarded facility.2. Sgt. Pat Tillman dies during operation Mountain Storm, drawing enemy fire as he leads his men up a hill. He is heard barking orders to the very end.
VERDICT: Propoganda.
Tillman is tragically killed by FF .50 cal round. It is immediatly known that FF brought him down, yet a coverup ensues that lasts for weeks. His family eventually is informed of the truth.3. Haditha. A roadside bomb goes off killing one US soldier, and also scores of civillians. US troops enter adjacent buildings and in a firefight with insurgents kill them and also some more civilians caught in the crossfire.
VERDICT: Propoganda.
If not for the immediate recording of events following this massacre by a student Iraqi journalist and followup investigation by TIME, this war crime may have forever been relegated as one of the MANY incidents the military classifies as simply collateral damage.4. US forces launch Phantom Fury, a devestating assault on Falluja. Most 2/3rds of the city have left. Early reports indicate possible use of Napalm being used in the city limits. The army denies any such device being used.
VERDICT: Propoganda.
Video finally surfaces of US forces deploying White Phosphurous munitions. Although later claims of use for battlefield illumination are used, footage cleary shows it used as an offensive weapon. Commanders on the ground are later quoted as saying it was a 'shake n bake' operation, used to 'terrorize' the insurgents and get them out of their wholes. What is not described is that the 1/3rd of people who did not leave (up to 100,000 civilians) are all deemed to be insurgents and thus fair game.5. Abu Ghraib. Simply put, if those photos had not shown up, no one would believe what the Red Cross has been bitching about for the whole year earlier about massive human rights abuses regarding detainees, many of whom were never convicted and released. Innocent people rounded up in night time sweeps. The military would have you believe this is an isolated case, a few bad apples.
VERDICT: Propoganda.So tell me Tool-boy. why should i believe a damn thing that comes out of the pentagon megaphone when their credibilty is zero? Why should i believe when the US sends General George Casey on a special 'mission' to educate soldiers in moral and ethical standards, and has to STRESS the point of discharging weapons only when 'your life is in danger'. Everything that has come from this administration and your military mouthpieces have been so much bullshit, from the reasons to go to war to the atrocities because of the war. Bush and his entire administration should be on trail for war crimes.
And you wouldn't know a true conservative if one kicked you in the ass Rob, so stop calling me liberal. I'm a real conservative, you're the bloated neocon version thats hijacked the conservative movement. And your kind is being outted very quickly.
And democrats, your on notice too. If Hilary wins, she will lead you deeper down the abyss than this fool George ever could. You've been warned.
Wed Jun 7 2006 11:44 AM
Dave E.:
"Like, everything bad that has happened since November of 2000 is GWB's fault?"
No.
Wed Jun 7 2006 11:45 AM
Tom from Madison:
After 5+ years of dried-out-drunk rule and an enabling co-dependent Democratic party it's time for real change. I agree, Hilary Clinton is not the person to provide this leadership.
I'd like to see a fiscally responsible, non-corporatist, non-militarist, non-fanatic, civil rights advocate in the White House. My choice is Russ Feingold.
Thu Jun 8 2006 11:32 AM
Mike of the Great White North:
Prophecy? Posted 24hrs before Zarqawi's death.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20060607.aspx
"...it seems reasonable to expect that an accident may befall him at some point in the near future."
Thu Jun 8 2006 11:03 PM
The Pfc. Jessica Lynch story. Believed to empty her magazine while defending against the enemy, taken prisoner and then in a daring night rescue is freed and taken home.
VERDICT: Propoganda.
Knocked unconscious by the assault she is taken prisoner, and by all accounts by Iraqi doctors is treated well. One of the doctors covertly informs Americans where she is located and under cover of night, she is removed from the unguarded facility.
I suppose that killing Zarqawi was a set up also that Bush call OBL and asked “throw me a bone”
Pfc. Jessica Lynch was in enemy territory wounded and taken prisoner God smiled on her for the fact that the doctors treated her well and the fact that one of them got word to soldiers is called INTEL. VERDICT: nice spin too bad it’s a lie! Just like the lies spouted about Bush’s National Guard service, just like the lies about the US having prisons in Europe, the EU’s interior minister found no proof. Just like the lies of US prison guards flushing the Quran down the toilet again no proof but you still spout off as much venom as you canSgt. Pat Tillman dies during operation Mountain Storm, drawing enemy fire as he leads his men up a hill. He is heard barking orders to the very end.
VERDICT: Propoganda.
Tillman is tragically killed by FF .50 cal round. It is immediately known that FF brought him down, yet a cover-up ensues that lasts for weeks. His family eventually is informed of the truth.Soldiers do die from FF when in battle unfortunate things happen, that does not take away from SGT Tillman being a true patriot and hero and I take offence at the way you politicize his death. Shame on you.
Haditha – Again you rush to judgment, you already have them convicted, yet if any group of people deserve the benefit of doubt it’s the fighting men and women of the armed forces!!! Do you know who killed those people/terrorists yes innocents were shot, by the marines maybe but until they are tried and evidence is shown and they are found guilty they are innocent! OH wait a minute your side wants to give the terrorist we have at gitmo access to lawyers and courts but the Marines in this issue are not. Marines (any military member for that matter) have a high opinion of themselves and for you to and those like you to exploite this in an attempt to demoralize the more then 130K soldiers, detract from the good and noble work they do in Iraq and use this in another attempt to undermine the President while giving aid and comfort to the enemy is easy for you – you’re not American, tell me if not for surveillance and security where would those 17 terrorists be right now?
Operation Phantom Fury – Here read this I’ll take this marine’s word over just about anyone else’s http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4069&search=operation
Abu Ghraib. Ask yourself this do the prisoners still have their heads? What those (again) few/hand full of soldiers did you make the entire military pay for!!! VERDICT: Propaganda for the Left.
I'm a real conservative, you're the bloated neocon version thats hijacked the conservative movement. And your kind is being outted very quickly – Mike, You’re not a conservative, you never have been you never will be. If you agree that judges can take your property because your town wants a bigger tax base you are not conservative. If you don’t believe in Capitalism you are not a conservative. If you believe in big government (tyranny) you are not a conservative. If you disparage the founding fathers of America you are not a conservative. Conservatives want to pray in public places if we choose to. We want out children to pledge allegiance under God in school. Conservatives want American borders secured and want our laws (including immigration laws) ENFORCED. Americans want our Isalmo-Nazi enemies obliterated in THEIR: homes/neighborhoods/countries the sooner the better! We (Americans/Conservatives) respect for the most part alternative lifestyles BUT do not want them imposed on us by judges. Libs love contempt and jealosy, anti American principles listen to them, they strip away what good whats right whats legal. Liberals attempt to create the most negative situation possible. They want American soverenty sacrificed on the alter of the UN and will stop at nothing less.
Fri Jun 9 2006 6:19 PM
Mike of the Great White North:
Oh this is rich. This is some of the weakest shit ive ever seen coming from you.
You seem to have entirely missed the point. The Lynch story you sidestep and immediatly go off on a tangent regarding Bush's AWOL guard duty. But i dont see anything resembling a denial by you about the fairy tale spin the pentagon painted about Lynch's story from the onset.
The same applies to Tillman. You have the audacity to denounce me for politicizing his death, when the pentagon made it fair game by INTENTIONALLY COVERING UP AND USING HIS FAKE DEATH STORY AS A RECRUITMENT TOOL. Only after his family dug deep did the pentagon finally yield the truth. My contention was not that FF does not happen. The contention was to show a pattern of deception and intentional misleading by the Pentagon until backed into a corner. and AGAIN YOU FAIL TO DENY THE STORY, but attack me for calling a spade a spade.
No NJ, im through giving you and you ilk the 'benefit' of the doubt. You simply throw blind faith behind the nobility of your armed forces. I have history behind me showing that armies that occupy and have to fight home grown insurgencies using guerilla tactics break down and commit atrocity. I dont give a shit how noble you believe you are. Yeah, i want Gitmo's residents to have lawyer access. And i'd have the same for the marine's your sticking up for. But i would not have it done by military tribunal. It's history speaks for itself. The military has no stomach to police itself, and when it does, hands out pathetic sentences to the lowest on the totem pole while the architects of these warcrimes, like Rumsfeld and his croons smile on. Of the 347 murdered individuals at My Lai, how many convictions were handed down. And how much time did he spend?
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0834642.html
And you think ill trust military justice....Very interesting, that marine's point of view. Guess he didn't bother to visit any of the hospitals that were raized in Fallujah. One must wonder why that was. Ill put your marine friend in the same class as your nuetered 'embedded' media. The only story's that come to light are the ones where a jounalist takes his role seriously, which most of your media does not.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FK10Ak04.htmlDo those prisoners still have heads? Gee, i hope so... now who's making blanket statements. Have you ever asked how many of those at Abu Ghraib were ever found guilty of anything? How many were released for lack of evidence? Look up the stats or ask you boss. Then look at those pictures again! And if you believe thats an isolated case, well why dont you just shoot me by the side of the road and put a shovel in my hand sir.
NJ, your not a conservative. You are a part of the military welfare class. You are part of a system that had no need for you or to pay for your service without creating the means for your usefullness. Indeed, without the military industrial complex creating foriegn wars your country doesn't need and spend money it can ill afford on BS weapon systems so you can play with your fancy new billion dollar toys, youd be out of a (*&^%(ing job. Your position should have ended at the cold war, but no, the myth of the noble soldier with more moral value than those he was sworn to protect just couldn't live with reduction of troops or base closures. Nah, that would impact the economy greatly, at least in all the states with big f'n bases on them. So we need more wars, to justify all that f'n money they throw away on people like you and the fancy toys the pentagon buys, coincdentally, toys that are completely useless or overkill in your FAUX war on terror. Everything on your list is a part of what you are. You only believe in judges that suit your ideology, not the rule of law. You don't believe in Capitalism, you believe in greed. You believe in the biggest most bloated, tyrannical government the US has seen in it's history. You shit on the founding fathers words of Republic, rule of law, power to the people and decentralized power. You want only YOUR God acknowledged and fuck the rest. You want your problems to go away, without understanding what causes the problem. Your the pass the buck generation, unwilling to take responsibility for the actions of you and what your govenment does in your name overseas behind a viel of darkness. You are a neocon, and neocons began on the left, their ideas of a new world order, the UN, nationbuilding, socialism for other countries by foriegn aid... thats the LEFTWING liberalism trotsky neocon order you espouse without even realizing it. In your heart you want a tyrant ruling you because you believe the people are not moral enough to account for themselves.
Conservatives are for personal accountability, personal choice, and personal freedoms, all of wich your President has helped to obliterate slowly. your not a conservative, and you know it...
Fri Jun 9 2006 8:48 PM
NJGuardsman:
Money well spent.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5370&search=Abu
Tue Jun 13 2006 7:59 AM
Tom from Madison:
Perpetuating myths that get more people killed is all the neo-cons are offering. It is truly pathetic that no one on the right is calling for a real accounting for what is being spent in Iraq. Billlions of dollars are missing. Yet the US treasury keeps borrowing$ to pay for it. How can this possibly be justified?
Tue Jun 13 2006 5:14 PM
Mike of the Great White North:
Hey NJ, what do you think of this?
http://www.slate.com/id/2143309/
Or would that be giving aid to the enemy, hurting national security, blah blah blah...?
Interested in your take on this.
Tue Jun 13 2006 5:31 PM
Dave E.:
Tom: you might be interested in this diary over at Kos about Bush nixing investigating the missing billions in Iraq through his unconstitutional signing statements.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/13/121650/389
$9 billion straight up gone, and $12 billion flown into Iraq directly from Federal Reserve vaults by military transport under little to no accounting. Turns out the IG set up by Bush admin for Iraq reconstruction has no authority to investigate the Pentagon. This is all done under the auspices of this "unitary executive" dictatorship-type bullshit.
Congress creates an IG to account for Iraq $$, and Bush signs away any of the IG's authority to do the will of Congress. Nice to see real conservative principles in action...
I'm anxious to see how "Iraq for Sale" addresses the issue.
Tue Jun 13 2006 7:21 PM
Tom from Madison:
Dave,
Bush is definitely creating a legacy as the worst abuser of constitution in US history. Certainly his record-setting pace with signing statements begs for testing in the Supreme Court. Arlen Specter and others in his own party are starting to step up to the plate, although too infrequently.
Perhaps the worst aspect of all of this is Bush's willingness to abandon all priciples in service of his own power quest. Creating a new "Unitary Executive" theory is totally antithetical to anything the Founding Fathers had in mind.
Despite all the rhetoric, Republicans are now the party that lacks principle. Under W they have sought to unilaterally deny rights, modify the consitution, and spend the treasury into oblivion. Where did they get the idea that Americans wanted this?
Wed Jun 14 2006 10:12 AM
NJGuardsman:
HA HA HA
SEN Santorm (hope I got the spelling right)
WMD FOUND IN IRAQ!!!! WHY ISNT THIS IN THE MEDIA?!?!? BUSH LIED I said it before I'll say it again He didnt lie I believed him from the start!
Libs never learn all they want is power your philosophy is immorality(PUNKS)
Hate America, Immoral War, Bush Lied GET READY FOR NOVEMBER!!!!!!!
Crow anyone?????
Wed Jun 21 2006 6:13 PM
NJGuardsman:
HA HA HA
SEN Santorm (hope I got the spelling right)
WMD FOUND IN IRAQ!!!! WHY ISNT THIS IN THE MEDIA?!?!? BUSH LIED I said it before I'll say it again He didnt lie I believed him from the start!
Libs never learn all they want is power your philosophy is immorality(PUNKS)
Hate America, Immoral War, Bush Lied GET READY FOR NOVEMBER!!!!!!!
Crow anyone?????
Wed Jun 21 2006 6:16 PM
Mike
First you need DECAF
Second “I have history behind me showing that armies that occupy and have to fight home grown insurgencies using guerilla tactics break down and commit atrocity.” Yeah I do too his name is John Kerry you want to bring up My Lai there you are some one you actually served in Vietnam! You are a hypocrite all you repeat is immoral war, Bush Lied while you willingly ignore Kerry’s confession during an interview with Barbara Walters you are flawed because you are willing to excuse him while crucifying Bush just like you gave the “benefit of doubt” to all those that said the same thing about WMD but refused to demonize them just Bush well it just so happens to be that THEY WERE ALL RIGHT!!!"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones.” – John Kerry
The prisoners at Gitmo should take the hint from there dead buddies and do the same (personal opinion) they deserve NOTHING anywhere near criminal court THEY ARE NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS (and neither are you) they are enemy combatants and I hope the rot I hope they die a slow painful death but such will not be the case! Please tell me how many of our prisoners are still alive and being held captive answer: 0, not one yet we’re the bad guys You can go straight to hell do not pass go do not collect $200.00 FYI the military has a conviction rate somewhere in the 90% range why don’t you google the: UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE (UCMJ) and read what happens to soldiers who commit crimes.
“You are a part of the military welfare class. You are part of a system that had no need for you or to pay for your service without creating the means for your usefullness.” – Really?!?! Tell me where would your country be with out its military? Let me tell you, you would not exist without this military welfare class, your country and the rest of this hemisphere enjoys security simply because America exists you leftist liberal punk. Without U. S. you be speaking RUSSIAN right now. With out America you’d still be trapping pelts simply because you are north of US you enjoy being able to spend money on other things besides defense, do you even know how much of our GDP actually goes to the military?
Your posts reek of jealousy and envy; you corrupt facts in order to suit you and your Ideology “You only believe in judges that suit your ideology, not the rule of law.” If you are talking about the U. S. Supreme Court with the appointments that President Bush made he righted a wrong a long time in coming they are both ORIGINALISTS in their interpretation on our constitution which I have no problem with in fact I encourage it.
I believe in Capitalism I believe in the free market I believe in competition You believe in bigger government you believe that the people be beholden to government for their wants & needs you believe in control and those who while we have liberated two countries count ‘em two, we rebuilt Europe we rebuilt Japan we are currently rebuilding Iraq & Afghanistan what have you ever done???-I shit on liberals (like you) who all that you can do is whine, cry, give rights to those not entitled.
-I shit on those who force their views on others and when those views lose in the arena of debate and referendum, cram it down our collective throats thru the courts.
-I shit on those who would take property from a WW2 vet because they want a bigger tax roll for their community.
I shit on those that want to take away my right to worship or my child’s right to worship how where and when they see fit or not! I shit on those who feel so threatened that they sue to take a manger off of town property because they don’t like it.
I shit on for a 16 square acre hole in downtown Manhattan Island!
I shit on those who do all they can (true or not) legal or not undermine my president for no other reason then HATE!
I shit on those who by their acts or deeds intended or not give aid and comfort to the enemy and care nothing of the lives they snuff out civilian & military, their blood is on your hands sleep well.I uphold my nation’s sovereignty I bristle at those to tout the United Nations as the best hope for the world.
Conservatives are for personal accountability, personal choice, and personal freedoms, All of which you would allow to be taken for you me and anyone else by those you protect the terrorists you’re not a conservative, and you know it you’re a pretender if at all you’re better off quoting the Communist Manifesto.
Wed Jun 21 2006 9:24 PM
Dave E.:
I shit in a toilet. Like the rest of civilization.
Thu Jun 22 2006 2:27 AM
Anonymous:
"First you need DECAF"
-and you need oxygen"while you willingly ignore Kerry’s confession during.."
-i ignore nothing. The war still would be illegal and immoral whether Kerry/Clinton/Santa would have prosecuted it. Stop throwing in this garbage, it doesn't help your point."like you gave the “benefit of doubt” to all those that said the same thing about WMD but refused to demonize them just Bush."
-what is your attention span NJ.. 7 seconds? i have criticized and lambasted Democrats / your entire Congress for abrogating its responsibility / Clinton(and now Hilary) etc... the only reason i 'DEMONIZE' Bush is because he is the retard AT THE HELM of this debacle, and deserves the most ire from me."well it just so happens to be that THEY WERE ALL RIGHT!!!"
-LOL... only people who were right were Blix, Ritter, Wilson, El Baridi, etc.. like i said previously, when David Kay said 'we were all wrong' he's talking about lemmings like you."Please tell me how many of our prisoners are still alive and being held captive answer: 0, not one yet we’re the bad guys "
-the fact your trying to argue this shows me how juvanile you are. yes, they are the bad guys, and you apparently want to be just like them."google the: UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE (UCMJ) and read what happens to soldiers who commit crimes"
-dishonorable discharge. Yeah, real punishment indeed."..because America exists you leftist liberal punk!"
-oooh zinger, keep it up Panzer commander."how much of our GDP actually goes to the military?"
-i'd rather look at it using real dollar figures, and the fact you spend more than the next 15 countries behind you. (actually the whole f'n list)
http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/archives/002244.php
Empire costs alot. 669.8/yr billion this year to be exact.
http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/defense_budget_tutorial.htm"..ORIGINALISTS in their interpretation on our constitution"
-originalists or creationists... sounds like your interjecting some heavy religious zealotry into your rant. And your 'interpretation' of the constitution is pretty fucking frightful."I believe in Capitalism I believe in the free market I believe in competition You believe in bigger government you believe that the people be beholden to government for their wants & needs"
-really? i thought by supporting Bush you were showing belief in corporate greed n excess (Enron, Haliburton), free market(exporting of jobs overseas/ use of illegal immigrant labour) and competition(media consolidation / walmart). And don't you dare put me in your camp... your the one 'beholden' to your dear leader, with ever ballooning bureaucracy and bloated services like the Dept.homeland.sec., introducing more levels of middle management to the spy agencies and creating a f'n CZAR (soviet term used freely). Your wants and needs are to be frightened little children who ask their government to 'protect' them from themselves, the ignorant masses who lead their simple lives, unaware of the turmoil their gov't creates in their name. Too bad for you."we have liberated two countries"
-should read "we have OCCUPIED two countries ""I shit on liberals (like you) who all that you can do is whine, cry, give rights to those not entitled."
-i'd say your just passing gas. cuz ill im getting from you is hard foul blowing noises."I shit on those who force their views on others and when those views lose in the arena of debate and referendum, cram it down our collective throats thru the courts."
-Agreed, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson.. they can all go fuck themselves."I shit on for a 16 square acre hole in downtown Manhattan Island!"
-by making even bigger wholes in other countries that did not attack you. brilliant."I shit on those who by their acts or deeds intended or not give aid and comfort to the enemy "
-back to the same ol' aid n comfort bullshit. It doesn't work dude, and i sleep very well thanks."I uphold my nation’s sovereignty I bristle at those to tout the United Nations as the best hope for the world."
-as do I. But i never use the UN as cover and excuse for why Iraq was attacked. LOL"which you would allow to be taken for you me and anyone else by those you protect the terrorists"
-upholding the views of the US forefathers and the US constitution is akin to protecting terrorists. lets hear it for NJ folks"you’re a pretender if at all you’re better off quoting the Communist Manifesto."
-by the same token, your a closet fascist, so keep on goose-stepping.
Thu Jun 22 2006 2:48 PM
Mike of the Great White North:
As if no one can tell, last was mine.
Thu Jun 22 2006 2:49 PM
Mike of the Great White North:
One more from NJ
"Crow anyone?????"
Rebuttle from FOX (of all places!)
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A senior Defense Department official, however, made the following clarifications:• These findings do not reflect a WMD capacity that was built up after 1991.
• These are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had.
• These are not the WMDs for which this country went to war.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200601,00.html
----------------------------------Taste's like chicken. Keep combing the desert NJ, keep combing.
Thu Jun 22 2006 7:36 PM
NJGuardsman:
Right back at you mike:
The moral value of a decision is not determined by its consequences.
Pundits on both sides of the political spectrum talk as if the president's moral justification, in relation to Iraq, will be determined sometime in the future. If Iraq eventually becomes peaceful, the president will have made a good (just) decision and if, on the other hand, the country spins out of control into a full-blown civil war, he will be smitten by God. That's not the way morality works. While we have a responsibility to weigh carefully the possible consequences of our actions before proceeding, our actions are justified by obedience to a well-formed conscience (note carefully the term “well-formed”) in the moment of decision.
In other words, we can make a morally just decision that turns out very badly, and we can make an immoral decision that turns out good results.
Thu Jun 22 2006 8:16 PM
NJGuardsman:
You can make as many references to Nazis you want, it’s not going to make a difference because it isn’t true!
The world said Saddam had WMD, the UN said he had WMD, after a decade of Saddam shucking & jiving President Bush said enough is enough!
Saddam provided the world with a list of WMD he had AND he was on the carpet to PROVE that he destroyed them, he didn’t do it, he proved nothing hence this was one out however many reasons we went in (not to mention the fact that he freely took pot shots at our planes for ten years against the agreement he signed).
We were JUSTIFIED in removing Saddam from power, we actually did the world (another) favor. If any military action is legal/moral this one is!!!! If it’s not then I guess WW2 wasn’t either, GULF WAR 1 wasn’t, according to you no action the American military takes is!
“-LOL... only people who were right were Blix, Ritter, Wilson, El Baridi, etc.. like I said previously, when David Kay said 'we were all wrong' he's talking about lemmings like you” – again proven wrong by 500 tons of uranium found in 2004/5 –AND- the events of YESTERDAY!!!!! Try to spin it again!
“yes, they are the bad guys, and you apparently want to be just like them.” No I’m not I want them dead I want to do to them what they did to those soldiers recently – but you want to give them a pass!
I repeat: WE HAVE LIBERATED TWO COUNTRIES!!!! 50 MILLION PEOPLE! You can try and spin it any way you want, this is the truth!!!
Exporting jobs? Are those jobs under government control? Did the White House move to India? NO!!! they are PRIVATE JOBS owned by PRIVATE people(most likely) forced because of more and more government regulations (big government) on how they do business I bet you would have Bush flex his muscles and deny/dictate how these people do business (again big government at work)!
The ONE place where I want STRONG government is in defense and law enforcement, I want the invasion from the south or north stopped! I want those hear ILLEGALLY, DEPORTED (however many there are) if they have committed crimes they should pay before they are thrown out! I want businesses who employ illegals shut down or HEAVILLY fined!
I want those responsible for 911 turned to dust, I want their sympathizers vaporized, I want there facilitators turned to fertilizer – WHERE EVER THEY ARE/WHERE EVER THEY GO/WHERE EVER THEY HIDE!!!!!!!Because of people like you we have this now, if we had acted when our ship was bombed, or when our embassies were blown up maybe this wouldn’t be happening now.
Terrorists have access to the internet, they watch CNN, they read rags like the NY Times. They see/hear/read about people like: Kerry, Mutha, Sheehan, Moore, you and you don’t think they use it, you don’t think they use what they find to further their cause and people like you contribute to this and you don’t care who you inadvertently kill by what you write!!!!
So breaking the UCMJ gets me thrown out of the military??? COOL! let me start selling info from my base to the highest bidder, let me kill my commander because he didn’t promote me! I’m gonna start filling my gas tank @ the motor pool (its FREE)!!! I’m gonna take PCs from my office they’ll never miss ‘em! – PATHETIC
"I shit on those who force their views on others and when those views lose in the arena of debate and referendum, cram it down our collective throats thru the courts.
-Agreed, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson.. they can all go fuck themselves.” – only if you add to that: Greenpeace, ACLU, Gay rights movement, N.O.W., P.E.T.A., Amnesty International, Moveon.org, etc, etc"I shit on for a 16 square acre hole in downtown Manhattan Island!"
-by making even bigger wholes in other countries that did not attack you. Brilliant WE bombed Germany too and they didn’t attack us! idiot We were not going to make the same mistake as in Vietnam where ever the enemy is/was we should go!
“how much of our GDP actually goes to the military?-i'd rather look at it using real dollar figures, and the fact you spend more than the next 15 countries behind you. (actually the whole f'n list) http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/archives/002244.php” - RIGHT BACK AT YOU WHO THE “F” ARE YOU TO SAY THAT WE CANT SPEND OUR MONEY THE WAY WE SEE FIT!?!?! So its OK for a psycho who thinks he’s supposed to bring about Armageddon to have nukes but when it comes to the big bad US of A to the same its wrong – hypocrite!You don’t like the way we do business, apply for American citizenship, become a citizen and vote!!! Until that happens all you do all you are is spam on the internet.
You uphold nothing from my constitution, I’ve shown you where Bush has the authority in the constitution and all you’ve done is ignore it, you just spout “Bush is bad” “Bush lied”, “Bush is immoral”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199757,00.html
http://www.archive-news.net/Articles/SH040923.html
I am a true conservative, I am a conservative like John F Kennedy was a conservative, I am a conservative like Reagan was a conservative, so I guess they were goose stepping too!
Thu Jun 22 2006 8:16 PM
NJGuardsman:
You can make as many references to Nazis you want, it’s not going to make a difference because it isn’t true!
The world said Saddam had WMD, the UN said he had WMD, after a decade of Saddam shucking & jiving President Bush said enough is enough!
Saddam provided the world with a list of WMD he had AND he was on the carpet to PROVE that he destroyed them, he didn’t do it, he proved nothing hence this was one out however many reasons we went in (not to mention the fact that he freely took pot shots at our planes for ten years against the agreement he signed).
We were JUSTIFIED in removing Saddam from power, we actually did the world (another) favor. If any military action is legal/moral this one is!!!! If it’s not then I guess WW2 wasn’t either, GULF WAR 1 wasn’t, according to you no action the American military takes is!
Fri Jun 23 2006 9:17 AM
NJGuardsman:
“-LOL... only people who were right were Blix, Ritter, Wilson, El Baridi, etc.. like I said previously, when David Kay said 'we were all wrong' he's talking about lemmings like you” – again proven wrong by 500 tons of uranium found in 2004/5 –AND- the events of YESTERDAY!!!!! Try to spin it again!
“yes, they are the bad guys, and you apparently want to be just like them.” No I’m not I want them dead I want to do to them what they did to those soldiers recently – but you want to give them a pass!
I repeat: WE HAVE LIBERATED TWO COUNTRIES!!!! 50 MILLION PEOPLE! You can try and spin it any way you want, this is the truth!!!
Fri Jun 23 2006 9:18 AM
NJGuardsman:
Exporting jobs? Are those jobs under government control? Did the White House move to India? NO!!! they are PRIVATE JOBS owned by PRIVATE people(most likely) forced because of more and more government regulations (big government) on how they do business I bet you would have Bush flex his muscles and deny/dictate how these people do business (again big government at work)!
The ONE place where I want STRONG government is in defense and law enforcement, I want the invasion from the south or north stopped! I want those hear ILLEGALLY, DEPORTED (however many there are) if they have committed crimes they should pay before they are thrown out! I want businesses who employ illegals shut down or HEAVILLY fined!
I want those responsible for 911 turned to dust, I want their sympathizers vaporized, I want there facilitators turned to fertilizer – WHERE EVER THEY ARE/WHERE EVER THEY GO/WHERE EVER THEY HIDE!!!!!!!
Fri Jun 23 2006 9:19 AM
NJGuardsman:
Because of people like you we have this now, if we had acted when our ship was bombed, or when our embassies were blown up maybe this wouldn’t be happening now.
Terrorists have access to the internet, they watch CNN, they read rags like the NY Times. They see/hear/read about people like: Kerry, Mutha, Sheehan, Moore, you and you don’t think they use it, you don’t think they use what they find to further their cause and people like you contribute to this and you don’t care who you inadvertently kill by what you write!!!!
So breaking the UCMJ gets me thrown out of the military??? COOL! let me start selling info from my base to the highest bidder, let me kill my commander because he didn’t promote me! I’m gonna start filling my gas tank @ the motor pool (its FREE)!!! I’m gonna take PCs from my office they’ll never miss ‘em! – PATHETIC
Fri Jun 23 2006 9:20 AM
NJGuardsman:
"I shit on those who force their views on others and when those views lose in the arena of debate and referendum, cram it down our collective throats thru the courts.
-Agreed, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson.. they can all go fuck themselves.” – only if you add to that: Greenpeace, ACLU, Gay rights movement, N.O.W., P.E.T.A., Amnesty International, Moveon.org, etc, etc"I shit on for a 16 square acre hole in downtown Manhattan Island!"
-by making even bigger wholes in other countries that did not attack you. Brilliant WE bombed Germany too and they didn’t attack us! idiot We were not going to make the same mistake as in Vietnam where ever the enemy is/was we should go!
“how much of our GDP actually goes to the military?-i'd rather look at it using real dollar figures, and the fact you spend more than the next 15 countries behind you. (actually the whole f'n list) http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/archives/002244.php” - RIGHT BACK AT YOU WHO THE “F” ARE YOU TO SAY THAT WE CANT SPEND OUR MONEY THE WAY WE SEE FIT!?!?! So its OK for a psycho who thinks he’s supposed to bring about Armageddon to have nukes but when it comes to the big bad US of A to the same its wrong – hypocrite!
Fri Jun 23 2006 9:20 AM
NJGuardsman:
You don’t like the way we do business, apply for American citizenship, become a citizen and vote!!! Until that happens all you do all you are is spam on the internet.
You uphold nothing from my constitution, I’ve shown you where Bush has the authority in the constitution and all you’ve done is ignore it, you just spout “Bush is bad” “Bush lied”, “Bush is immoral”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199757,00.html
http://www.archive-news.net/Articles/SH040923.html
I am a true conservative, I am a conservative like John F Kennedy was a conservative, I am a conservative like Reagan was a conservative, so I guess they were goose stepping too!
Fri Jun 23 2006 9:21 AM
Mike of the Great White North:
This is going to be long but necessary.
“extra shovelfuls of obfuscatory dirt heaped upon the facts of ongoing successes in Iraq.”
-you wouldn’t know a FACT if it smacked you upside the head. For every one thing that goes right in Iraq, 10 go wrong. But I guess its only a fact if it’s a good thing, but we don’t need to report all the bad things. Yeah its just a fucking peachy picnic in Iraq. Go enjoy some tea outside the green zone.“The world said Saddam had WMD, the UN said he had WMD,”
-no NJ, you’re still a lemming.“he was on the carpet to PROVE that he destroyed them, he didn’t do it,”
-of course he couldn’t prove it… Bush kicked the inspectors out while Blix was begging for more time because THEY COULDN’T FIND ANYTHING!!!!“proven wrong by 500 tons of uranium found in 2004/5 –AND- the events of YESTERDAY!!!!! Try to spin it again!”
-HAHA, this from the master of spin! I believe I did address this yesterday (apparently you cant read, ill forgive that) here it is again.Rebuttle from FOX (of all places!)
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A senior Defense Department official, however, made the following clarifications:
• These findings do not reflect a WMD capacity that was built up after 1991.
• These are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had.
• These are not the WMDs for which this country went to war.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200601,00.html
----------------------------------“No I’m not I want them dead”
-Yes, you want people dead, who have not been charged with anything, who are just being held and tortured and have no access to proving innocence, period. Your blanket accusation that everyone at Gitmo is a terrorist, without showing me any proof of how it was determined, where, when and under what circumstance they were detained shows me the depth of your ignorance. Of the thousands at Abu Ghraib, how many were convicted, compared to how many were simply let go. At Gitmo, how many have been CONVICTED of anything? They’re left to rot there because they don’t even have enough evidence to get these guys in a military tribunal, which is a farce of a system to begin with. Chew on that for minute.“WE HAVE LIBERATED TWO COUNTRIES!!!! 50 MILLION PEOPLE!”
-Liberation implies freedom. 79% of Iraqis want you out of their county NOW. Put up or shut up.“PRIVATE people(most likely) forced because of more and more government regulations”
-guess it has nothing to do with shitting on the working class just to get every last dollar in the profit margins, its always those damn regulations.“those responsible for 911 turned to dust, I want their sympathizers vaporized, I want there facilitators turned to fertilizer”
-I certainly hope your not including me in that diatribe. I agree with you on this, but you stop mighty short of the goal, for you choose not to understand why 9-11 occurred and thus doomed for a repeat. To make note of this is not to sympathize. Bush’s stated reason for the attack is a bold faced lie at its core, the silliest soundbite in history. You were NOT attacked because you are free, and you were not attacked to be invaded. OBL has stated his aims specifically time and again. And until you choose to understand, address, and eventually negotiate the war will go on forever. Terrorism is a tactic to compel democracies to implement policy change that cannot be achieved by conventional war due to the gap in military superiority. Argue it, deny it, stick your fingers in your ears and shout ‘lalalalala’ all you want, until you grasp this, nothing will change. And before you start your mantra of appeasement, you are fully aware that Israel has on many occasions negotiated with terrorists in prisoner releases, ceasefires, etc. Even US forces have negotiated with terrorists in Iraq at certain points.“you don’t care who you inadvertently kill by what you write!!!”
-oh would you please stop with the bullshit. My words can kill? My words and the words of other progressives may offer hope to people on the other side of the world that maybe, JUST MAYBE we can collectively stop an imperial hegemony from ‘crusading’ through the middle east. It’s ACTIONS and RHETORIC like yours and Bush n Co. that enrages the middle east, expands terror recruiting drives, and gives them more reasons to want to ‘kill’ Americans and their allies wherever they may be. You are the real enabler.“So breaking the UCMJ gets me thrown out of the military???…. PATHETIC”
-Again I ask, how many people were convicted in the My Lai massacre. What was the grand total years spent in prison. How many senior brass officers were brought up for the cover up? Countless other unreported civilian ‘casualties’ in Iraq. And the practice of carrying spare shovels in your APC to plant beside the civilian you just killed so you can mark him down as an insurgent placing an IED. You’re damned right its pathetic.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/14728788.htm“WHO THE “F” ARE YOU TO SAY THAT WE CANT SPEND OUR MONEY THE WAY WE SEE FIT!?!?!”
-easy there poncho, your about to pop. Did anywhere I say that you couldn’t spend it that way? No, I just pointed out to you how much you spent in actual dollars because you asked me the question “do you even know how much of our GDP actually goes to the military?”… so don’t get testy at me that I answered it for you. And for the record, it’s 4%. Geeez.“WE bombed Germany too and they didn’t attack us! Idiot”
-right, and you want to tell me again how Iraq fits that ridiculous analogy? First rate military power that took the combined force of British/Soviet/US forces to bring down, compared to a 3rd world, dilapidated, isolated country. Yeah, I can see why you were so terrified..“You don’t like the way we do business, apply for American citizenship, become a citizen and vote!!!”
-Funny how whats good for the goose ain’t good for the gander. You fear my words(spam), and tell me to pipe down and keep my nose out of your business. Rich.. this coming from a guy who’s job it is to stick his nose in the affairs of other peoples and countries. Why don’t you apply for Iranian citizenship and help the moderates, oh wait yeah, you’ll just bomb them without evidence.“Bush has the authority in the constitution”
-no NJ, Bush does not have unlimited authority. Hes commander in chief of the armed forces, not the people of the US. He may command the troops, but cannot authorize war, that’s congress’s job, which THEY DID NOT DO. His authority is as head of state. If the founding fathers wanted an overseer of all things and power delegated to one single man, they would not have bothered ceding from England. Perhaps that is the greatest irony. The patriots you all love and cherish for gaining their freedom and independence from the tyranny of a King who could send people off to die in colonial wars based on his whim or fancy (ay’ the king of France said what about my mistress? TO WAR), and pay taxes to help fund his war making ability (taxation without representation anyone?)… in today’s era would be considered treasonous sons of bitches by the retarded right.“I am a true conservative”
-No NJ, you’re a part of the hijacked rightwing, fanatical, religious, neocon warmonger party. You talk a big game about being conservative but everything points to the contrary. You talk about being pro-life, but see no issue with the loss of those who are living, at least as long as they aren’t Americans. You talk about tax cuts and free markets as if they are end all and be all, yet are completely for Haliburton style chicanery, massive unaccountable foreign aid and nation building in Iraq, subsidizing Iraqi oil for Iraqis so they can buy gas for pennies while everyone else pays through the nose, and injecting billions into bases and embassies across the globe to keep your empire going, beholden to Asian banks who keep your economy afloat by holding billions of notes and bonds. You talk a big game about security but on your watch, you trashed one failed state, let another get nukes, and still have OBL laughing at you, while you kill a knock off clone in Iraq that even Al-Quada is glad he’s gone. Conservatives are for personal choice, that is the ability to CHOOSE. Right wing religious zealots would like to CHOOSE for me what I can or cannot do. It’s like TV, if you don’t like it, change the channel, choice. People like you would rather have the TV only play evangelical Christian shows on a max of 3 stations.
Fri Jun 23 2006 12:31 PM
Mike of the Great White North:
A case study in fear and ignorance.
"So its OK for a psycho who thinks he’s supposed to bring about Armageddon to have nukes but when it comes to the big bad US of A to the same its wrong – hypocrite!"
-We don't get along, everyone can see that. So lets take this to the next level. Lets square off, 10 ft away from each other. You have a pellet gun. I have a .50 cal rifle, mp5 submachine gun, a Desert Eagle and a whole wack of grenades.
You hate me to such an extent NJ, if you're really good with your aim, you may at best hit me in the eye, blind me for life. Are you going to take that chance to inflict that on me? Are you that suicidal? Or would common sense, and a sense of survival help make your decision?
Stop playing these neocon games and hysterical rhetoric. We both know Iran will not suicide itself. What we do know is that the US is the only country ever to use nukes on another country (against civillian populations, terror anyone?) and is again threatening their use Pre-emptively, when the Iraq war has shown what an utter dissaster preemptive war is when based on bullshit, cherrypicked, paid for and bogus intel.
As John Stewart would say.. "Stop hurting America"
Fri Jun 23 2006 3:51 PM
Mike of the Great White North:
And here is the kicker NJ. I want you to burn this moment in time into your head.
Your words below
“proven wrong by 500 tons of uranium found in 2004/5 –AND- the events of YESTERDAY!!!!! Try to spin it again!”And just for key emphasis...
"TRY TO SPIIN IT AGAIN!"ok. hows this?
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/themix/37966/And as to your 500 ton 'stockpile' you allude to that constitutes success in your hunt for WMD... think again. There was no material breach because:
a) 500 tons of uranium ore is usless unless it is processed to weapons grade enriched.
b)That 'stockpile' was well known to the IAEA monitors.
c)500 tons of anything does not constitute a grave and gathering threat.I'm not the one caught in the spin cycle.
Sat Jun 24 2006 3:28 AM
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